Jacob Rees-Mogg Redux

FoxEye said:
These days I'm genuinely not sure who's worse.

Put the true-blue Tories in charge and you'd have a structured, functional society. One where the poor starved and the rich and powerful ruled with an iron fist.

But put the "liberal" SJW types in charge and you'd have anarchy. I imagine we'd very quickly become something approximating Syria or Afghanistan. Because their ideals fit with reality like broken glass fits well in cheese sandwich.

Alternatively you might end up with the UKSSR.

Neither outcome is useful to me. Both sides are repellent.
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I disagree with the probable outcomes, though agree with the conclusion. I think that it's likely that both would be authoritarian with a powerful elite, just different people in it. Although that's assuming that the undoubted political skill and ruthlessness of SJWs would result in a functioning government rather than fracturing into warring factions. Robespierre failed at that, but Stalin succeeded. There are examples of both.
 
chroniclard said:
Liberal rule = anarchy? Do you have any examples of this?
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The SJWs aren't liberals tho. It would be more like mob rule with those people in charge. Angry mob burning witches at the slightest provocation, such as accidentally using the wrong gender pronoun :p
 
dowie said:
"so if you want to but a Toyota that is made in Japan you have to pay 12% more than if you buy a Peugeot that probably won't work" :D
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I think JRM is wrong about a great many things.







Not on this occasion though :D
 
FishFluff said:
Ah OCUK. Where everyone who doesn't gladly vote Tory is clearly a SJW who wants to see marxism implemented.
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Said nobody in this thread ;) SJWs are extremists. These are the guys who advocate "no-platforming" everyone they disagree with.

These are the guys who can't construct a single sentence without using the words "racist", "-phobe" or the like.

To flip what you said on its head: SJWs think everyone who didn't vote Labour wants to re-create the Third Reich.

Funnily enough, extremists see everyone who isn't like them as extremists. Because they're so far out on whatever axis you might be dealing with, the centre ground looks like the opposite extreme.

Meanwhile those in the middle look at either side and see extremism. SJWs certainly are at the extreme end of their spectrum, there's no doubting that. Most ordinary people don't storm into cafes demanding that all references to Churchill be removed because he was "racist and imperialist". That's not normal thinking.

Normal people don't create campaigns to get people fired for alleged "transphobia", if they ever questioned the idea that a trans-woman isn't a biological woman. I could go on. SJWs are extremists. No better than the extremists at the other end of the scale.
 
Skunkworks said:
What can Africa possibly offer us in return? I can understand schmoozing a decent country.
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Huge amounts of natural resources, land and labour force for three off the top of my head.

One of the big things at the moment is land for agriculture. It’s the new “gold rush” and there’s a huge amount of money being spent by many countries (China being a massive one, but also the UK) to curry favour with governments to favour that nationalities companies.

Here’s an introduction to it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17099348

Unfortunately as much as foreign aid is considered as “soft power” (again, China have been exceptionally good with this over the last few years, including billions in infrastructure spending in multiple countries all over Africa, but also South/Central America and Asia) it’s not all used to better the lives of the nationals living in those countries as Foxeye points out.

That’s not to say the foreign aid budget should just be scrapped though. At the very least there’s an argument for changing the way the budget is spent, but then again that would probably benefit the UK less.

Unfortunately aid and influence is a dirty game, with the only way to stay ahead being to play it well.

Besides, helping countries develop will mean less emigration from those countries and, meaning less immigration from there to the UK...
 
chroniclard said:
Liberal rule = anarchy? Do you have any examples of this?
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He did say SJWs, not Liberals. TBH I wouldn’t totally disagree. That’s why it’s a good idea to put more normal people into positions of power rather than the extremes. :p

A nice centralist government (or centre right/centre left coalition) would be ideal!
 
Why is this in a thread of its own? We have a YouTube thread if the OP wants to drop a video and not comment on it.
 
Especially when the rpevious thread had to be clsoed due to the bile form certain posters, this just smacks of a way around OCUK moderation. And with 3 pages we now have the same abhorrent comments from the same individuals.
 
D.P. said:
And with 3 pages we now have the same abhorrent comments from the same individuals.
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Worse in fact.

I got called a "baiter" multiple times in my recent thread for pasting a headline from a news story on the telegraph.

Apparently posting YouTube videos with no context is fine though.
 
Amp34 said:
He did say SJWs, not Liberals. TBH I wouldn’t totally disagree. That’s why it’s a good idea to put more normal people into positions of power rather than the extremes. :p

A nice centralist government (or centre right/centre left coalition) would be ideal!
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Whilst some will disagree I do think the 2010 coalition was better than what we have had since 2015 or would under Labour.
 
I agree it was better than what we have now. Cameron wasn't my cup of tea but he was better than Theresa May, and the lib Dems kept some of their nastier policies at bay.
 
+1 ^^^^

I do think they should stop giving some countries cash to the governments - keep the NGO's and big charities - in fact give it to them instead
 
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