Japanese Grand Prix 2011, Suzuka Circuit - Race 15/19

What has Massa actually achieved this year? IMO he has never been the same since that piece of Brawn Suspension hit his helmet in 2009!
 
I'm having a hard time deciding whether Massa was just never very good, and just looked better than he was against a completely disinterested Raikkonen, or whether he has really never recovered from his accident. Right now, he's performing no better than Fisichella did up against Alonso. And to put that in perspective, Fisi was beaten quite badly by Kovalainen in Kovy's debut season.
 
Setroc said:
I'm having a hard time deciding whether Massa was just never very good, and just looked better than he was against a completely disinterested Raikkonen, or whether he has really never recovered from his accident. Right now, he's performing no better than Fisichella did up against Alonso. And to put that in perspective, Fisi was beaten quite badly by Kovalainen in Kovy's debut season.
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I have had this thought too. I like Massa, hes been good, but I get the feeling that he never was 'brilliant', but just got lucky a bit (2008). He has always been the solid second man at Ferrari, scoring points, developing the car, playing second fiddle to the team number 1. It was just, as you said, when Kimi was in the team and had no interest in being the team leader and stamping his mark, Massa showed through. But is that because Massa was better, or just that what he was compared against (Kimi) wasn't as good?

Kimi was a great driver, but he never grabbed the Ferrari team by the balls like Schumacher and Alonso have and made it his own.

Massa is where he has always been, in the shadow of his Ferrari team mate. The only difference is that now he is getting ignored by the media and fans too (earlier, I had to actually pull up the F1 website to see where he qualified, because I genuinely couldn't remember if he set a time in Q3).
 
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Qualifying - Vettel snatches pole from Button by a whisker
Although McLaren had dominated all sessions prior to the crucial final one, Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel managed to clinch pole position by a mere nine-thousandths of a second at Suzuka on Saturday, just pipping Jenson Button to the top slot.


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Mrs as gone out for her mates birthday so depends if she has me up most of the night. Hopefully i should be here for 6 :D
 
Decided i am gonna get up to watch the race live tomorrow as i ended up reading texts when i woke up this morning that gave away both the rugby and qualifying results :mad: See you all at 6 :p
 
Not read all of the posts on here, but had to lol at one or two comments about Jenson holding Lewis up.

Just lol, talk about clutching at straws!! Anything to try and get some dirt on another driver instead of admitting that Lewis was just caught napping - once again.

Extreme fanboism carrys on...
 
mmj_uk said:
It makes you laugh doesn't it, Hamilton is having his worst season on record where he can practically do nothing right, whereas Buttons season has been quite the opposite and yet they're still only almost level in the drivers championship.

Once Hamilton gets his act together Button won't be picking up easy points from two cars in front of him retiring. ;)
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LOL how many times does this need saying - Shall I get a mod to sticky it, because you keep on forgetting...

Jenson has been left ******** by his team on more than one occassion this year, Lewis hasn't ...

If Jenson HAD NOT had his races ***** up by his team he'd be leading Lewis by a much bigger margin than he is at present.

I said this a few weeks ago and had all of the races where Jenson's points tally had been wrecked (Silverstone being a prime example) ...

In fact stuff it, I'm gonna have to comb through every race this season, see where Lewis bodged up because his head is in 'la la' land and see where Jenson has lost because his team decided to knacker his race up and then we'll see where they REALLY are with the points situation.

Don't forget also, that all you Lewis fanbois were saying Lewis was gonna "DESTROY" Jenson this year and last, well this year he certainly ain't, and last year he was just inches away from Jenson....

I don't understand how Lewis is going to own Jenson once he gets back to form either?

He was basically on form last year, didn't have any of these stupid schoolboy incidents that he's having this year but didn't exactly thrash him, did he?

Also don't forget... how many years has Lewis been at Mclaren? How many years has Jenson been there? Lewis has been nurtured and that car has been BUILT around HIM, not Jenson.

Which driver has had the greater pressure placed on their shoulders to perform?

Which driver is BUCKLING this season?

Please stop with the pathetic "Lewis would own Jenson" arguements, it didn't wash last year, it ain't washing this year and it won't wash next year when Jenson wins his second WDC. :D
 
Finally get to see a race live again tomorrow.

I have 2 games of 5 a side tomorrow afternoon lasting 3 hours in the afternoon, which normally meant I missed race day during the European season.
 
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