Japanese Grand Prix 2011, Suzuka Circuit - Race 15/19

sunama said:
A lot of Hamilton fans running to his defence, I see.

I too, am a Hamilton fan, however, you must learn to accept when your "man" isn't doing a good job. We have reached a point where even the areas where Hamilton used to dominate (ie. qualifying), Button is now able to beat him.

At present, Hamilton is in bad form. No question about it.
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My, you are an over-reacting illogical fellow! :)

It's not surprising you have to defend Hamilton when people are so quick to attack him..

And lo and behold, the interview linked to above shows he was trying to leave a gap to button, and was late out the pits due to wanting some wing settings changed.. a victim of circumstance with other traffic around.. Exactly as it looked like to me.. so forgive me for pointing this out when everyone was accusing him of being a crap driver with no one in front of him..

It was looking very likely he had a chance of pole, the fact he wasn't able to get the last lap in means Button beat him by default, you can't read too much into that at all..

I agree Lewis is having a bad spell, everyone acknowledges this, so again why be stupid about it and tell us all that we need to stop defending him and accept he's not having a bad spell? We've accepted that weeks ago..
 
Glad I didn't even contemplate getting up early for qualifying.

I hope Button can get a good start, but it doesn't really matter does it. :( Then again, I suppose there's always a (very good:p) chance that Hamilton can misjudge another overtaking move and take out Vettell.
 
just watched quali.

looked like hamilton slowed to get a bit of space from button and 2 cars jumped passed him and he didnt make it over the line in time.

hes still 3rd and with a set of softs that havent done a hot lap.


everyone making a mountain out of a mole hill.


schumacher also didnt make it and even went off roading before starting the lap but that hasnt been mentioned.



hes on the clean side of the track also.
 
From LH on bored. It looks like MSC goes of because LH was doing about 2mph.

It's not the end of the world, but it's another mistake to add to the list and probably cost him pole.
 
AcidHell2 said:
From LH on bored. It looks like MSC goes of because LH was doing about 2mph.

It's not the end of the world, but it's another mistake to add to the list and probably cost him pole.
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it looks like a chain reaction of webber going up the inside, hamilton moving over then schui moving more over and cutting the chicane.
 
sunama said:
A lot of Hamilton fans running to his defence, I see.

I too, am a Hamilton fan, however, you must learn to accept when your "man" isn't doing a good job. We have reached a point where even the areas where Hamilton used to dominate (ie. qualifying), Button is now able to beat him.
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Is this a joke? It's 10 to 4 for Hamilton in qualifying. I don't think this is the first of the 4 he's lost out to button that the team have made an error in.

Here's some stats for hamiltons form

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/statisti...r-form-guides/lewis-hamilton-2011-form-guide/

So basically he is 10/4 in qually.

They have beaten each other 5 times and Hamilton has led button for 408 laps while button has led him for 208. I know you love stats.

Yet again Hamilton has admitted this is a bad season for him, yet again I will remind you people are saying this is buttons best season, something button himself is also saying.

Yet for all that Hamilton is wiping the floor with him in qualifying and has been ahead of him for the majority of the season, has beaten him an equal amount and isn't a mile away in the points.

Button had better pray the real Hamilton never returns because if he is this close in an awful season he has no chance of beating him if he turns up again.

That's the reason Hamilton has always got on with button at the race track, he knows when the car is better if they were going for a title he would beat him. He knows the majority of the time he would out qualify him.
 
utajoker said:
just watched quali.

looked like hamilton slowed to get a bit of space from button and 2 cars jumped passed him and he didnt make it over the line in time.

hes still 3rd and with a set of softs that havent done a hot lap.


everyone making a mountain out of a mole hill.


schumacher also didnt make it and even went off roading before starting the lap but that hasnt been mentioned.



hes on the clean side of the track also.
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Agreed - 3 drivers going for the same piece of tarmac - though it appears only 2 of them were aware why that was so important

Hes behind Vettel who always makes good starts, while Button is an average starter so I cant see how damaging this is to LHs overall race other than another potentially embarrasing on-track incident. He should be at least 2nd by the first few corners IMHO...

Be good to see it from MW and MSc car to see how slow LH went - I dont think he was that slow that it was abnormal (its quite normal to get that cushion in qualifying) but I dont think LH was actually aware how crucial it was to maintain speed to make the start/finish line in time. I cant see how he wouldnt have that kinda information fed to him via the steering wheel or over comms though and from what Martin Whitmarsh has said it seems he had that at his fingertips.

All seems quite rookie again - but thats the standard Im used to by him and McLaren, dont understand what either stands to achieve by putting themselves in such low reward/high risk positions...

EDIT: Some of the knee-jerk reactions in here were quite funny; Ill chalk that up to the early hours some woke up at and leave it at that...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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sunama said:
So let me get this straight.

You are basically, saying that I am correct...but you don't like to be reminded about it. Have I got that right?
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No, I mean, you are incorrectly assuming we don't already know the obvious and wildly reported current state of events with Hamilton.. :) And then twisting them by irrational logic to make a really wild statement..
 
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In Singapore, when Hamilton was tight for space he went past Massa to get some clean air, and got slated.
In Japan, when Hamilton was tight for space, he slowed up to form a gap between him and Button, and has got slated.

Just saying.

But anyway, interesting to note that Schumacher only went out for a lap because they were concerned about Kobayashis lap. So if Kobayashi hadn't gone out, Schumacher wouldn't have gone out at all. The mentality appears to be that if you aren't looking to be on the front 2 rows, there's a bigger advantage to be had by not going out. Surely that's broken?

If Vettel is leading after turn 2, he will do the usual and win by 20 seconds.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Is this a joke? It's 10 to 4 for Hamilton in qualifying. I don't think this is the first of the 4 he's lost out to button that the team have made an error in.

Here's some stats for hamiltons form

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/statisti...r-form-guides/lewis-hamilton-2011-form-guide/

So basically he is 10/4 in qually.

They have beaten each other 5 times and Hamilton has led button for 408 laps while button has led him for 208. I know you love stats.

Yet again Hamilton has admitted this is a bad season for him, yet again I will remind you people are saying this is buttons best season, something button himself is also saying.

Yet for all that Hamilton is wiping the floor with him in qualifying and has been ahead of him for the majority of the season, has beaten him an equal amount and isn't a mile away in the points.

Button had better pray the real Hamilton never returns because if he is this close in an awful season he has no chance of beating him if he turns up again.

That's the reason Hamilton has always got on with button at the race track, he knows when the car is better if they were going for a title he would beat him. He knows the majority of the time he would out qualify him.
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It makes you laugh doesn't it, Hamilton is having his worst season on record where he can practically do nothing right, whereas Buttons season has been quite the opposite and yet they're still only almost level in the drivers championship.

Once Hamilton gets his act together Button won't be picking up easy points from two cars in front of him retiring. ;)
 
Hamilton is going through an iffy patch.... Not even a bad patch. Of course the world and the media have to jump on him for it though, because it's Hamilton.
 
utajoker said:
let change the subject :)

massa has out qualified massa, alonso must be feeling the pressure with his far weaker team mate higher up on the grid.
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Not really, 8 hundredths isn't a great deal. He won't be happy but he won't feel under pressure.

This season is written off pretty much, nothing to gain. Already looking forward to next year and he has the longest contract in F1, his future and status as #1 in Ferrari is assured.

Massa is racing for his career as he hasn't got a new contract and the Ferrari young driver's test is around the corner.
 
utajoker said:
let change the subject :)

massa has out qualified massa, alonso must be feeling the pressure with his far weaker team mate higher up on the grid.
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He has done well to out do himself mind :p

Good going for the little man.
 
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