Poll: Japanese Grand Prix 2016, Suzuka - Race 17/21

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bayo000 said:
And considering it was right hand corner and he was getting close to it, it was predictable that he was going to go right at any moment.
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Did you also argue the defence of Prost's move against Senna, as that was his very similar argument. They were nowhere near the turning in point. It was a sudden move to the right, just after he started braking.



bayo000 said:
And you note that the car behind has to have any part of the front wing alongside the rear wheel of the car in front. ;)
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The use of commas shows that's not related to the braking part of the sentence, just the moving on a straight before a braking zone.
 
this_is_gav said:
Did you also argue the defence of Prost's move against Senna, as that was his very similar argument. They were nowhere near the turning in point. It was a sudden move to the right, just after he started braking.
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Not sure why you keep arguing. Clearly I'm not the only one that think it was within the rules as there was no penalty and all the TV presenters I've seen said the same.
 
bayo000 said:
Not sure why you keep arguing. Clearly I'm not the only one that think it was within the rules as there was no penalty and all the TV presenters I've seen said the same.
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Read the sentence. It's not even open to interpretation. Have you never raced yourself?

When does the drivers briefing coverage kick in? It'll be interesting to hear how it's addressed if Austin's is shown.
 
Irish_Tom said:
I'm not denying those stats are true, but they don't tally with F1 Fanatic's stats.

For instance, F1F's 2014 stats has Hamilton with 3 technical failures to Rosberg's 2 - the exact opposite of the above. So one of them is wrong.
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Just looking at 2014, Rosberg retired in Britain (gearbox) and Singapore (can't remember) and in Abu Dhabi (the double-points race) he finished in 14th due to some electrical issue, where he lost power, then the engine cutting out, to the point where the team told him it was unsafe to continue, but he continued anyway.

Hamilton in Montreal (brake failure due to MGU-K issue also suffered by Rosberg) and Spa (contact with Rosberg and sufficient damage to deem finishing as pointless).


Edit: Oh yeah, at Singapore Rosberg had a short-circuit resulting in gear problems from the start, him having to start at the back and then ending up with the car up-shifting 2 gears at once most of the time.
 
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The stats on sky do not paint the full picture. I am only referring to the Hybrid era. The list below also contains failures that prevented either driver from qualifying, put to the back of the grid or forced a pitlane start.

Lewis 2014:
Spark Plug/Lead DNF in Australia (Max points loss 25 conservative 18)
MGU-H Failure in Canada (Max points loss 18 conservative 15)
Brake Failure in Germany (Max points loss 3)**
Engine Fire in Hungary (Max points loss 10 conservative 3)
Kamikaze Nico in Belguim (Max points loss 25 conservative 18)

Nico 2014:
Gearbox Failure in GB (Max points loss 25 conservative 18)
Electrical Failure in Singapore (Max points loss 25 conservative 18)
MGU-H in Abu Dhabi (Max points loss 25 conservative 18)

So Lewis lost out far more.

Lewis 2015:
Clamp Failure in Singapore (Max points loss 15 conservative 12)

Nico 2015:
Throttle Failure in Russia (Max points loss 25 conservative 18)
Engine Failure in Italy (Max points loss 18 conservative 15)*

*You could argue it was Merc ramping that engine to 11 knowing the mileage it had done solely to try and get Nico P2 in the race. Surely 15 points are better than no points. A DNF that could have been avoided.

Lewis 2016:
Engine Issues in China (Max points loss 12 conservative 9)**
T-Boned by Bottas in Bahrain (Max points loss 3)**
Engine Issues in Russia (No Points Loss)**
Engine Penalty Belgium (Max points loss 3)**
Engine Fail in Malaysia (Max points loss 25)

**I am giving Nico the benefit of doubt that he would have won those races anyway even with Lewis on the front row.

As you can see max potential points loss in 2016 so far of 43. This would put Lewis 10 ahead which would change the complexion of the WDC.
 
Thanks for the correction. But he was P2 and 3-5 secs behind Lewis so I am using the same logic as I have done with races Nico won and Lewis had issues. I am assuming Lewis would have still won Abu Dhabi.
 
Yeah MooMoo444 too much maths for this time in the morning, but I did not include those figures :) But to avoid upsetting the die hard Nico fans I gave Nico the benefit of doubt and gave him the race win in races where Lewis had issues i.e. China, Bahrain, Russia, Belgium etc. Also I did not include the potential 2nd/3rd place Lewis lost in Baku because Merc stayed silent on the engine mode issue whereas they were quick to help Nico in GB even though there had been no relaxation of the rules. So a potential loss for Lewis in Baku of 5-8 points.
 
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IPBA said:
Yeah MooMoo444 too much maths for this time in the morning, but I did not include those figures :) But to avoid upsetting the die hard Nico fans I gave Nico the benefit of doubt and gave him the race win in races where Lewis had issues i.e. China, Bahrain, Russia, Belgium etc. Also I did not include the potential 2nd/3rd place Lewis lost in Baku because Merc stayed silent on the engine mode issue whereas they were quick to help Nico in GB even though there had been no relaxation of the rules. So a potential loss for Lewis in Baku of 5-8 points.
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and yet last week's race proves this to be wrong - just because one car retires doesnt always have a bearing on where the other car finishes
 
But Nico won those races (Bahrain, Chaina, Russia, Belguim) right?

So what I am saying is let's keep that result and assume that even if Lewis had finished he would max be P2. It is to avoid a backlash from Nico supporters who may claim that Nico would still have won had Lewis had no issues in those races.
 
I think it's fair to assume Merc are 1-2 in every race, barring problems.
 
I really don't get the point of digging up all the 'potentials', what's happened has happened. It's just something for fans of the 'hard done by' person to look at what might have been. No point living your life based on what could have been.
 
So, what needs to happen for Lewis to win the WDC? If he wins each race, and Robert finishes second I guess he will still win? Does he need Rosberg to finish 4th in one race or similar?
 
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