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Drug fueled desicion makers, yes.
Jaywalking?
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Drug fueled desicion makers, yes.
I was in Singapore for just under a month in August, I was jaywalking like a crazy fool. Not all streets have zebra type crossings, it is very commonplace. Id say if you got told off for it never mind arrested you would have to be seen doing something very very stupid.
Pedestrians have right of way as soon as they set foot on a road within the UK IIRC.... Shouldn't be like this but is
Jaywalking is also illegal in Poland (having had 2 cops pull up and shout at me for it
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Remember this? This is why the worlds gone mad.
Too add to the list of things, a police officer who does things like this should be punished more for their un-needed actions.
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So it's ok for a police officer to punch people when they feel like it is it? Physical abuse is no excuse.
If you mean the girl in the pink top then no, she did not resist. She attempted to help someone escape from custody which is different and something she could be arrested for over here.
As for the punch - no, there was no need for it and I would like to see how the cop could justify this. A simple verbal warning with the possibility of an open handed push to move her away would have sufficed and be justifiable.
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He wasn't doing it for no reason, the woman clearly intervened and assaulted the officer by grabbing at him and pushing him. Not to mention the barrage of abuse, which is also a criminal offence. He could have hit her with his baton, but he didn't and instead used reasonable force to stop himself being injured. It also allowed him to detain her to ensure himself, others and herself wouldn't come to any more harm. Whilst perhaps he could have used less force, a push may have been effective or it may have just kicked the crowd off and ended in a brawl. He needed to do quick, concise action to stop it from escalating.
He COULD have hit her with the baton but would not be able to justify it
He did NOT use reasonable force to stop himself being injured.
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or so it's just OK for anyone to get a punch is it? I don't think so. She did jaywalking, however she did resist arrest but no need for the punch that's just a joke to the police force that is. .
Reasonable force, in this instance, would be classed as verbal warning accompanied (if need be) with an open handed fend-off (firm push) as opposed to a closed fist punch in the face.
Hey, I may be wrong but I cannot see the USA police using closed fists to the face as an appropriate technique in this circumstance....
Actually, can someone tell me where it says she was arrested for jaywalking as I cant see it
You keep telling us that it's not reasonable, yet you refuse to say what he should have done in the situation. Are you failing to answer this because you don't have an answer?
I never said it was OK for anyone to get hit, but if a crime has been committed or is being committed then the police must stop it and restrain the people using reasonable force. In the situation in the video, where the policeman is being attacked and heavily out numbered he had to take action to ensure that the situation wouldn't get worse. A display of dominance, and restraining the woman ensured this. Yes, if he got her on the ground and started laying into her things would be different. It was one blow, similar to being hit with a baton. There was nothing wrong with this in that situation.
First time I've seen that video, and I'm not sure if there's any evidence to prove it was a jaywalking offence but the video doesn't display that so we shouldn't guess at what the crime was.
I never said it was OK for anyone to get hit, but if a crime has been committed or is being committed then the police must stop it and restrain the people using reasonable force. In the situation in the video, where the policeman is being attacked and heavily out numbered he had to take action to ensure that the situation wouldn't get worse. A display of dominance, and restraining the woman ensured this. Yes, if he got her on the ground and started laying into her things would be different. It was one blow, similar to being hit with a baton. There was nothing wrong with this in that situation.
First time I've seen that video, and I'm not sure if there's any evidence to prove it was a jaywalking offence but the video doesn't display that so we shouldn't guess at what the crime was.
That is really harsh, I mean fine ok, but prison
in singapore its an offence to drop litter. Its a fine of $1000 singapore dollars per piece of litter dropped
Repeat offenders will have to do work similar to our community service orders, cleaning up litter.
They take public order stuff like this very seriously in singapore.
I assume you are not talking about me as I have given what is reasonable force a couple of posts up.
As for being "outnumbered", no one but the girl being arrested and her pal in the pink top showed any indication of attacking the cop.
Yea, they just love graffiti artists too....and chewing gum.
If you are found in possession of drugs, its lights out too with the death penalty. I have to say, the place is spotless, runs like clockwork and never saw a single crime the whole time we were there, the news reported one dutch guy getting caught drawing on a wall.
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To be clear a police officer (like anyone else) is able to use reasonable force to defend himself or another person. The reasonableness of the force used is measured on the basis of the circumstances as HE believed them to be. The test has both a subjective and objective element.
The woman he had arrested was clearly resisting, and he's was trying to deal with her. There is a crowd of onlookers who are also abusing him from the outset. The woman in pink then assaults him and obstructs him in the course of his duty.
It is his perception of events that matters here as to the circumstances as he believed them to be.
His options were wider than a punch, and in all the circumstances, he may be able to provide decent reasoning as to why he believed the force used was reasonable in the circumstances.
It seems pretty clear to me that he was restrained otherwise throughout the incident in the force he was using to restrain the woman he had arrested - which may lend support to an assertions that the punch was reasonable in all the circumstances as he believed them to be.
The woman he had arrested was clearly resisting, and he's was trying to deal with her. There is a crowd of onlookers who are also abusing him from the outset. The woman in pink then assaults him and obstructs him in the course of his duty.
It is his perception of events that matters here as to the circumstances as he believed them to be.
His options were wider than a punch, and in all the circumstances, he may be able to provide decent reasoning as to why he believed the force used was reasonable in the circumstances.
It seems pretty clear to me that he was restrained otherwise throughout the incident in the force he was using to restrain the woman he had arrested - which may lend support to an assertions that the punch was reasonable in all the circumstances as he believed them to be.
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Aye, sorry. Was responding to idroid. Though I disagree that a verbal warning would be enough. Bluetop girl was resisting arrest, an offence. He was trying to arrest as he was (we assume) legitimately permitted to do. He was struggling with her, as he was on his own and the situation was very tense.
Pinktop girl wonders in and adds petrol to the fire. This man now has to contain the original woman whilst being attacked by the other. There was a lot of shouting by the girls and chances are a simple verbal warning wouldn't be heeded (it is unclear whether or not he does speak, though I'd suggest he doesn't) because of the noise and the situation.
Pinktop then assaults the officer, plain and simple. And he is permitted to defend himself and contain the attacker. A simple pushing away would not do this and likely escalate the issue and create more hostility from the two girls.
In the ensuing scuffle, I'd suggest he was trying to arrest pinktop girl but she wiggles free and because of the action he took she ceases to be a threat to him, others or herself.
Based on the crowd, the aggressiveness of the women and the fact he was outnumbered he had to do something to enforce his role as a policeman. A single blow was enough to achieve this and is no different to using a baton on the attacker.
We're going around in circles a bit now.
Aye, sorry. Was responding to idroid. Though I disagree that a verbal warning would be enough. Bluetop girl was resisting arrest, an offence. He was trying to arrest as he was (we assume) legitimately permitted to do. He was struggling with her, as he was on his own and the situation was very tense.
Pinktop girl wonders in and adds petrol to the fire. This man now has to contain the original woman whilst being attacked by the other. There was a lot of shouting by the girls and chances are a simple verbal warning wouldn't be heeded (it is unclear whether or not he does speak, though I'd suggest he doesn't) because of the noise and the situation.
Pinktop then assaults the officer, plain and simple. And he is permitted to defend himself and contain the attacker. A simple pushing away would not do this and likely escalate the issue and create more hostility from the two girls.
In the ensuing scuffle, I'd suggest he was trying to arrest pinktop girl but she wiggles free and because of the action he took she ceases to be a threat to him, others or herself.
Based on the crowd, the aggressiveness of the women and the fact he was outnumbered he had to do something to enforce his role as a policeman. A single blow was enough to achieve this and is no different to using a baton on the attacker.
We're going around in circles a bit now.