Jeffrey Epstein

Mushy Peas said:
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as pedophilia, is in fact, hebephilia, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, ephebophilia. Pedophilia is not merely the attraction to anyone under 18, but rather a totally separate disorder (not a legal term) listed as a sexual-psychological disorder categorized under paraphilias, a group of sexual-psychological disorders in the DSM-IV and considered a disorder under the standards of the American Psychological Association. Many people could be considered ephebophiles despite the fact that they themselves may not know the term, much less what it means. Through a peculiar turn of events, ephebophilia and hebephilia became grouped under the very general and inconclusive cultural term "pedophilia," and the majority of people using the term are unaware that they are referring to non-paraphilic sexual preferences that are unmentioned in the DSM-IV and occur relatively harmlessly in a great deal of the population. There really is a pedophilia, and these people may be referring to it, but nevertheless it is a small part of what is labeled under "pedophilia." Pedophilia is labeled as a paraphilia because it is by nature unhealthy. Paraphilias are all unhealthy and destructive to relationships, but are restricted to the definitions set forth in the DSM. Pedophilia is simply grouped with the non pathologized conditions of hebephilia and hebephilia because they share a few similar traits. In reality, pedophilia separate from both and should be treated as such, and many people described as pedophiles would be better described as hebephiles or ephebophiles.
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If it looks like noncing, and smells like noncing, it's noncing.
 
robfosters said:
Can the US request extradition of a royal, and are we able to carry out such a request?
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I think the Queen is immune from extradition (I think any head of state is) but I'm not sure about Prince Andrew. I don't think we should extradite anybody to the US, until it decides to play fair and agrees to extradite Anne Sacoolas, as they've been taking the **** regarding that, but don't want to derail the thread.

Regardless of extradition or not, I find it rather difficult to believe that Prince Andrew wasn't involved in some way, that doesn't necessarily mean he's committed a crime - but I do think he was involved.
 
I bet he'd never go the US, he wouldn't last a day in jail. I wonder if there are more images implicating him in Jeffrey's stash. Apparently there were cameras all over his house in NY.
 
Screeeech said:
I think the Queen is immune from extradition (I think any head of state is) but I'm not sure about Prince Andrew. I don't think we should extradite anybody to the US, until it decides to play fair and agrees to extradite Anne Sacoolas, as they've been taking the **** regarding that, but don't want to derail the thread.

Regardless of extradition or not, I find it rather difficult to believe that Prince Andrew wasn't involved in some way, that doesn't necessarily mean he's committed a crime - but I do think he was involved.
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I totally agree about Sacoolas

ilthough Trump is embroiled in this imo. My hunch is that he would be more than happy for Andrew to sit nice and quiet in the UK.
 
I think some of you are mistaking Theopha - *checks notes* - Mushy Peas' views for something that has not come from a now soon to be dead but early 2000 iconic comedy forum where the endless back and forth of labelling resulted in of 'ITS NOT PEDO, IT'S EPHE!'

It's really something awful.
 
LOAM said:
Mods Mods? This person has admitted he might have been wrong on the internet and issued an apology. Is that allowed here or ban?
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I know right... first Covid19, then the riots... now someone on the internet has done this - what has the world come to!!!! :D

NVP said:
Well I feel I do, so please accept them. I try my best but English is my weakest subject, I have learned so much from participating here so please keep pulling me up on things so I can improve :)
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Fair enough, acccepted. :) Honestly though disagreements are healthy, you're one of the regular posters I've got respect for and it's not like you were throwing insults around + your argument was sound in retrospect assuming that interpretation of the word.

Anyway, I've now got another bun fight to get into...

[pedant mode]

ANDREW GREEN said:
A Paedophile is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. Epstein was seemingly attracted to pubescent teenagers, which would make him a herbophile and young women, which most men are attracted to as it's the optimal age for a viable pregnancy.

I realise this is semantics, although I also believe the crime of paedophilia is far worse
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Yes it is semantics, and you've got it wrong. I didn't feel the need to add a disclaimer into every post I made as it's rather beside the point but if you'd read the small chain of posts that made up the conversation you jumped into the middle of then you could have saved youself some time. I'm refering to paedophilia in the broad sense of the word as it is commonly used in the media etc.. today - I did already state this in order to pre-empt this sort of reply even though it should have been obvious:

dowie said:
He is a convicted paedophile. We know he was a paedophile (in broad use of the word - i.e. someone into underaged girls, before someone gets into some "technically he's an ephebophile..." chat) and we know he was convicted of an offence in replation to that...
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Your correction is wrong though even if you want to be overly technical, if you're going to be pedantic using a diagnosis from psychiatry then he's not really a herbophile, upper range of circa 14yrs (well he's got one conviction relating to a 14 yr but generally his interests seem to have been older teenagers in general - his relationship with his famous accuser & longer term alleged sex slave started when she was circa 16) he's an "ephebophile".

see here for an explanation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia

But as I'm clearly not talking about a psychiatric diagnosis but rather the broader, informal use of the term "paedophile" as used when talking about offenders then it's a moot point:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#Definitions_2
Pedophilia is not a legal term,[10] and having a sexual attraction to children is not illegal.[7] In law enforcement circles, the term pedophile is sometimes used informally to refer to any person who commits one or more sexually-based crimes that relate to legally underage victims. These crimes may include child sexual abuse, statutory rape, offenses involving child pornography, child grooming, stalking, and indecent exposure. One unit of the United Kingdom's Child Abuse Investigation Command is known as the "Paedophile Unit" and specializes in online investigations and enforcement work.
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StriderX said:
Or just call them nonces.
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^^^ yup, that's perhaps a better term to use in the broader case, and just a funny word all around

Sadly I don't think we'll see the BBC use the term "convicted nonce" anytime soon, which is a shame! :D
 
neocon said:
Lots of nonces in the UK

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.te...third-largest-consumer-abuse-demand-live/amp/

I heard about this on Radio 4, it's disgusting, should be #1 news item.
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Even before the Asian Rape gangs reared their heads, looking at stats in the UK something like 1 in 100 to 200 white British men are pedos so for most people chances are you will know 2 or 3 pedos. Where I work we employ around 200 men so there should be a couple of them are pedos.

Odds that they are 10 or more posting on these forums as I type.
 
It's already been established that prince Andrew can't be extradited because of his status.

Thats why they are desperate to get him go over to the states. They refuse to come here to question him because even if he confesses all they still cant charge him over here.

It's normal practice for the FBI to come over and question "Witnesses" as they call him but my thinking is they want him charged so will keep goading him to go over.


On another note they now have Epsteins long time lover and co conspirator Maxwell in custody, it wont be long before she cuts a deal, if she doesn't meet an unfortunate suicide in prison that is.
 
bris said:
It's already been established that prince Andrew can't be extradited because of his status.

Thats why they are desperate to get him go over to the states. They refuse to come here to question him because even if he confesses all they still cant charge him over here.

It's normal practice for the FBI to come over and question "Witnesses" as they call him but my thinking is they want him charged so will keep goading him to go over.
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Eh? They offered to fly over here to interview him. they're not desperate for him to go over there and I suspect some in US govt probably hope they don't end up in a positon where they ought to be charging him/requesting extradition as it would be awkward etc... If some conspiracies are believed (re: the US cop currently hiding in Russia with a copy of incriminating Epstein evidence) then the FBI supposedly might already have more evidence of Andrew's involvement but are deliberately sitting on it/suppressing it.
 
dowie said:
Eh? They offered to fly over here to interview him. they're not desperate for him to go over there and I suspect some in US govt probably hope they don't end up in a positon where they ought to be charging him/requesting extradition as it would be awkward etc... If some conspiracies are believed (re: the US cop currently hiding in Russia with a copy of incriminating Epstein evidence) then the FBI supposedly might already have more evidence of Andrew's involvement but are deliberately sitting on it/suppressing it.
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No they have never offered to come here.
To come here the FBI have to use their legal attache in the London embassy for access to a suspect, this request has never been filled.

Instead it has turned into a he said she said argument. The Dukes legal team has insisted on a few occasions he has agreed to an interview, they say he has not.
The problem lies in the fact his legal team have insisted ho does not fly to America for this interview as they believe he could be trapped there if he does.
This points to them wanting him in America or why have they never officially asked our government for the right to interview him under oath.
 
Janesy B said:
If it looks like noncing, and smells like noncing, it's noncing.
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Here's the thing. You said ephebophilia is pedophilia.

Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.

As someone who is a diddler who studies children, I am telling you, specifically, in diddling, no one calls ephebophilia pedophilia. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.

If you're saying "pedophile family" you're referring to the paraphilia grouping of chronophilia, which includes things from nepiophibilia to hebepohilia to gerontophilia.

So your reasoning for calling ephebophilia pedophilia is because random people "call the ephebopophile ones pedophiles?" Let's get teleiophiles and mesophiles in there, then, too. Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. An ephebophile is an ephebophile and a member of the chronophilia classification. But that's not what you said. You said ephebophilia is pedophilia, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the chronophilia class ephebophiles, which means you'd call nepiophiles, teliophiles, and other sexual attractions pedophilia, too. Which you said you don't.

It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?
 
dowie said:
Fair enough, acccepted. :) Honestly though disagreements are healthy, you're one of the regular posters I've got respect for and it's not like you were throwing insults around + your argument was sound in retrospect assuming that interpretation of the word.
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Haha just messing, appreciated and reciprocated.
 
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