Jimmy Savile - Sexual Predator

Diagro said:
Why?

A quick solution of that is this:

Recent pedo reports are of MEN abusing young Boys.
This in turn = those MEN are GAY for those BOYS.

Its not hard to understand, Unless your simply minded.
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I fail to see why revelations about a homosexual paedophile would cause a witch hunt against normal homosexuals.

Did we have a heterosexual witch hunt due to the Jimmy Savile allegations, no of course not.

It is an odd thing to say to be honest.

Now, I do agree that he should not reply (it's a matter for the police & that he was out of line by handing over the list) - but the response was a little backwards/awkward - but to be fair to Cameron, I'm sure he was pretty shocked by the whole thing (being handed a random list on live TV) which is far more likely a bigger reason for the awkward reply.
 
Diagro said:
Why?

A quick solution of that is this:

Recent pedo reports are of MEN abusing young Boys.
This in turn = those MEN are GAY for those BOYS.

Its not hard to understand, Unless your simply minded.
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Regarding your last sentence - Why be so aggressive towards someone. Are you unable to simply make a point without vindictive comments?

ps: When you suggest to someone, "Unless your simply minded," it's bad to get three out of the four words wrong.
 
elmarko1234 said:
I fail to see why revelations about a homosexual paedophile would cause a witch hunt against normal homosexuals.
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Because the 'list' turns into some as a list of 'probably gay MP's', I would imagine. So even if they are innocent the list then becomes the 'is he isnt he' gay thing.
 
Diagro said:
Why?

A quick solution of that is this:

Recent pedo reports are of MEN abusing young Boys.
This in turn = those MEN are GAY for those BOYS.

Its not hard to understand, Unless your simply minded.
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Bit harsh with your statement at the end there, no need.

I can see it from my point of view, I'm a gay man and I don't want to see the PM on TV saying there is a link between homosexuality and what has happened.

What I can see from this is the church or the right wing saying there is now a link as the PM said so.

I don't think it was a good comment for him to make at all.
 
[TW]Fox;23132346 said:
Because the 'list' turns into some as a list of 'probably gay MP's', I would imagine. So even if they are innocent the list then becomes the 'is he isnt he' gay thing.
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It's a bit of a stretch, but who knows you may be right, but it could be taken a number of ways (one way being an association between paedophilia & homosexuality) - but as I said, I do think it's a daft thing to say but he was right to not look at it/dismiss it on TV, it's a line for the police - not the PM to get involved with.
 
elmarko1234 said:
I fail to see why revelations about a homosexual paedophile would cause a witch hunt against normal homosexuals.
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estebanrey said:
Cameron wasn't associating paedophilia with being gay, he was making the point that society (who are dumb on the whole and who do make these unfounded links) have a habit of pitch fork wielding and harassing people on the internet and that most of the victims of this kind of abuse are people who are being "outed" by people that don't know them. Saying Mr X is a peado is a lot more rare than the daily Mr X is gay tweets.

He wasn't saying "paedophiles and gays are the same" he was saying "Let's not throw the baby out with bath water by going down this internet rumour route which will as a result affect a lot of gay people as they, and not paedophiles, are the ones who get most of rumours said about them". If you legitimise Twitter and Facebook rumours as fact, or worthy journalism, the real risk is not protecting children from predatory sexual abuse, but causing harassment and bullying for those with legitimate sexual preferences (like gay people).

They seem to understand this context in the media (the Guardian would have a field day if Cameron really did liken being gay to being a paedophile), and yet I still see people posting this rubbish on here and on Youtube (which ironically proves Cameron right).
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Neutralmilk said:
I can see it from my point of view, I'm a gay man and I don't want to see the PM on TV saying there is a link between homosexuality and what has happened.
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He wasn't though. He wasn't saying there is a link between homosexuality and paedophilia, he was saying there is a danger in allowing the bullying and naming of people through rumour based websites, because most of that activity is aimed at homosexuals and not paedophiles.

Michael Portillo (who is also gay) seemed to understand this on This Week last night, as did Labour's Alan Johnson who had political reasons to pretend not to.
 
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estebanrey said:
He wasn't though. He wasn't saying there is a link between homosexuality and paedophilia, he was saying there is a danger in allowing the bullying and naming of people through rumour based websites, because most of that activity is aimed at homosexuals and not paedophiles.
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I had already read what you had posted before posting.

I just didn't agree with the explanation you provided, to me it came across as a blunder (but an understandable one - due to the absurd situation in which he was handed a list on live TV).

This is a political party which has traditional sexist, racist & homophobic views entrenched in it's history & a number of it's voting base.
 
Neutralmilk said:
Bit harsh with your statement at the end there, no need.

I can see it from my point of view, I'm a gay man and I don't want to see the PM on TV saying there is a link between homosexuality and what has happened.

What I can see from this is the church or the right wing saying there is now a link as the PM said so.

I don't think it was a good comment for him to make at all.
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Ohhh i say! ;)


Yes fair enough, i retract my comment about Simple minds.

Sorry
 
And Newsnight has just apologised unreservedly on BBC 24 News, for the story that led to McAlpine being wrongly accused, sounds like its brown trousers time at the beeb.
 
Is there another potential cabinet minister from the thatcher era, no names, just did the chap mean someone else, or is he now just utterly confused given that so many people buggered him back in the day?
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
Is there another potential cabinet minister from the thatcher era, no names, just did the chap mean someone else, or is he now just utterly confused given that so many people buggered him back in the day?
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The BBC article says what happened, he was 'shown a picture' and told the wrong name. He seemed pretty sure of himself when he said 'It was a Tory man who did it and we now have a Tory government, so lets see what happens' to the press.

The problem with situations like his is that he doesn't know who it was, when it was and where it was the crime took place. Absolute minefield, and not something that should be in the public domain. Unfortunately we seem to live in a centralist world where individual voices seem to matter.
 
Being accused of something like this when you did not do it can be life changing. There is now always going to be that "well... you never know" attitude with some people that know him.
 
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