Anyone else notice lately, With job vacancy advertisements that the majority of them now seem to forget to list the crucial parts?
Like how many hours the vacancy is, And most importantly the wage!
Well, they've generally not forgotten. If you're looking at salaried work then the hours in a lot of jobs might well be variable, ditto to travel requirements etc.. that's something to speak to the hiring manager or team members (if you meet them) at interview. Your contract will likely be a standard 40 or 37.5 or whatever hours per week one but I'd not rely on that.
The salary has a few reasons some are bad (from employer pov) some are quite legit.
The bad ones are basically related to the fact that often people in similar roles are paid different amounts - the employer might be willing to pay a wide range for the role but if they need to pay X to attract one particular candidate and some existing employees are earning less than X then that could be awkward.
Likewise, some companies will try and base their offer to you on what you're currently earning - this is rather unfair and ideally you want to avoid it.
The more legit reason is that they're genuinely open to looking at candidates with varying levels of experience, sometimes they might find they don't have a candidate who ticks all the requirements but they have a less experienced person who they can train up - an experienced person might have cost them 70k a junior person they need to train might only cost 40k and costs them additional time, isn't going to be productive initially etc.. advertising a range there doesn't necessarily make sense.
And nobody likes to ask what the wage is during an interview!
What's your thoughts guys?
Don't ask for the wage during the interview! If you're initially contacted by a recruiter or HR then just ask upfront for the range for the role. If they have a narrow range in mind they ought to be able to tell you, if they're genuinely quite flexible then they could probably tell you that too.
"Can I ask what the salary range for this role is?" and they hit you with "What are your salary expectations?".
you obviously know what you can offer... tbh now I just tell them that I won't leave for less than £x, or you know they'll go in with the lowest offer in any range you give them.
Yeah, they shouldn't really have an issue in telling you the range generally unless it really is broad and based on your experience, though it also isn't unreasonable to ask your expectations - if you're an experienced hire then you should have some idea of the market and be able to give them a range too.
I'd actually have the opposite view re: offers - you should be more concerned if you've given a range and your offer is the upper bound of the range you gave, you probably gave a range below theirs.
If you're offered something near the min of your wage then you were perhaps more likely in line with them - easy to deal with that one, simply ask for more! Seriously. The vast majority of hiring managers already have authorisation to increase the first offer given to a candidate, they don't want to lose you at that stage over a few grand it's also literally one of the metrics execs look at regularly on their dashboards too - losing candidates at the offer stage, recruitment is costly and they generally don't want that to happen.
Generally though, if you're dealing with an external recruiter or internal HR recruiter they'd try and get the salary thing nailed down early on, these guys want to be able to close the deal soon after the offer and they do that, in part, by not just getting you to state a range but also giving you a figure and asking hypotheticals - like the blatant if you were to be offered X at the end of this process would you accept it, if your current employer came back with a counteroffer what would you do etc.. The end game for them if, if you are given an offer, they've told the hiring manager you're willing to accept X it then becomes awkward for you to even attempt to negotiate when you're offered the figure you said at the begining you'd accept.
Of course, that is what they want you to think, again though hiring managers almost always still have the pre-authorization to offer a bit more (unless you're genuinely pushing past the top of their range already) so the thing to do there is to find some excuse/reason to ask for a bit more regardless - based on some things you've found out during the interview process etc.. (albeit keeping it all positive/enthusiastic).
Obviously, the ideal situation is to have multiple offers then you don't even need an excuse "yes I was happy with X but company B is now talking about offering me Y, would you be prepared to match that?".
If you're a real gambler and quite happy to walk away/potentially blow it and stick in your current job for a bit longer then you could be additionally sneaky and just pretend you're interviewing at a couple of other places and/or have a slightly higher offer so they need to raise theirs a bit as you'd really like to work with them.
