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You only have to see how the public react when medical advice changes as further data is collected. A month ago you told us that, now you're telling us this, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Even though that is how science works.

Absolutely true, but the whole 'war on misinformation' has a very political, rather than scientific, feel to it. I spoke to some of my family members a few months into the pandemic about how science isn't some magical entity that instantly knows everything, but that's how it was being portrayed and most of the general public don't know any better. Good science takes time to reach the right conclusions, and shutting down dissenting voices in the name of science when the correct scientific conclusion is far from clear is the opposite of what science should stand for. I don't mind the authorities giving advice based on what they know now either, but don't turn into a tyrant over it.
 
Absolutely true, but the whole 'war on misinformation' has a very political, rather than scientific, feel to it. I spoke to some of my family members a few months into the pandemic about how science isn't some magical entity that instantly knows everything, but that's how it was being portrayed and most of the general public don't know any better. Good science takes time to reach the right conclusions, and shutting down dissenting voices in the name of science when the correct scientific conclusion is far from clear is the opposite of what science should stand for. I don't mind the authorities giving advice based on what they know now either, but don't turn into a tyrant over it.
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Imagine using this as an argument against science.
 
Nah, he quite often has academics on his show IIRC (granted I've not watched/listened to a whole episode, I've seen bits of some interesting ones on youtube though), lots of what they're saying will be based on peer-reviewed research, sure they might not drop specific citations.

IIRC one of the two controversial guys from this recent story is a Cardiologist is the editor of a medical journal and has over a thousand publications.

"peer-reviewed" research isn't necessarily a magic solution given that plenty of cranks could well be reliant on it too. This guy seems to be a crank but he's got control over a journal.

Fauci was trying to silence a group of scientists that included a nobel prize winner that cosigned something they wrote about herd immunity.

Speaking of that:
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jan/31/lockdowns-had-little-or-no-impact-covid-19-deaths-/

Lockdowns had little or no impact on COVID-19 deaths, new study shows
 
Fauci was trying to silence a group of scientists that included a nobel prize winner that cosigned something they wrote about herd immunity.

Speaking of that:
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jan/31/lockdowns-had-little-or-no-impact-covid-19-deaths-/

Lockdowns had little or no impact on COVID-19 deaths, new study shows
This is a loaded article of lockdowns <> mortality. Mortality is if you die from COVID. Lockdown was stopping you get COVID in the first place.
 
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Imagine using this as an argument against science.

You miss the point. I don't think peo0le are attacking "science" . It's the human gatekeepers.
This is a loaded article of lockdowns <> mortality. Mortality is if you die from COVID. Lockdown was stopping you get COVID in the first place.

Johns Hopkins University made the comparison. Shall we ban them too?

Also. I see no one has seen fit to defend Fauci.
 
Establishing trust by would be a start.

For example, many of the hardcore anti-vax "experts" (including Peter McCullough) have conflict of interests, those sorts of things should be disclosed and they generally are in debates or publications where things are taken seriously. It's foundational as to the trustworthiness of the individual, to ensure they're not just saying whatever suits them to make a quick buck, at the expense of everybody else.



Why am I going to waste my life, checking out every single cockamamie theory going about on Youtube, when I can just do what the NHS and my GP say I should do?

Do I need to go around checking out every single "5G is bad" "expert" youtube video, before I can make an informed decision about whether or not I get a 5G phone?

Do you not think the mainstream have conflict of interests?

How do you decide who to trust? Who decides this? Who is given that power?

You're being silly at the end. You are welcome to listen to whoever you want, but don't expect that everyone else has to listen to only who you want us to. You do you and let other people live their lives and make up their own minds.

You seem to have made the mistake of thinking I go on YouTube to listen to random people. I listen and read things from to actual experts. I look at offical stats etc I know you've said you're not capable of doing research, but I am.
 
Establishing trust by would be a start.

For example, many of the hardcore anti-vax "experts" (including Peter McCullough) have conflict of interests, those sorts of things should be disclosed and they generally are in debates or publications where things are taken seriously. It's foundational as to the trustworthiness of the individual, to ensure they're not just saying whatever suits them to make a quick buck, at the expense of everybody else.
should that work both ways? How about the government officials/scientists that have ties to the pharmaceutical companies either through receiving grants or having been board members/immediate family members being board members?

Why am I going to waste my life, checking out every single cockamamie theory going about on Youtube, when I can just do what the NHS and my GP say I should do?

Do I need to go around checking out every single "5G is bad" "expert" youtube video, before I can make an informed decision about whether or not I get a 5G phone?
You don't have to do that if you don't want to, however there are many people that do. Why would you want to stop them from doing something that has little to no impact on you?
 
You don't have to do that if you don't want to, however there are many people that do. Why would you want to stop them from doing something that has little to no impact on you?
There isn't enough time in the world to listen to every crack pot with an opinion.
 
There isn't enough time in the world to listen to every crack pot with an opinion.

You're being childish now. We're not saying people should listen to anyone with an opintion. Are you aware that we are capable of deciding for ourselves who we listen to?
 
You're being childish now. We're not saying people should listen to anyone with an opintion. Are you aware that we are capable of deciding for ourselves who we listen to?
That's the problem, you aren't capable of choosing who to listen to and consider as fact.
 
That's the problem, you aren't capable of choosing who to listen to and consider as fact.

How do you know that?

This is just your opinion. I'm sure you wouldn't want to force your opinion onto me and restrict my freedom by not allowing me to see information. That would make you a terrible person.
 
How do you know that?

This is just your opinion. I'm sure you wouldn't want to force your opinion onto me and restrict my freedom by not allowing me to see information. That would make you a terrible person.
It isn't my opinion, I know that because propaganda is a well defined term. People are susceptible to misinformation and too busy/incapable to decipher for themselves.

The thing about these platforms is you end up being recommended more and more of the same to the point you say things like 'everyone is saying.....x y z".
 
Good science takes time to reach the right conclusions, and shutting down dissenting voices in the name of science when the correct scientific conclusion is far from clear is the opposite of what science should stand for. I don't mind the authorities giving advice based on what they know now either, but don't turn into a tyrant over it.
the earth is flat - it really is.

look at the damage the vaccine message on pregnant birth-givers(mums) caused - vaccines had been untested inititially and the alarm that raised meant when the message was updated with data, plus evidence of misscarriages if unvaccinated you caught covid, well, that update message was drowned out.
 
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