That sounds remarkably like the first song I learned to play.
John Cage musical work changes chord for first time in seven years
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That sounds remarkably like the first song I learned to play.
Is there some sort of a link to something here?
I must admit that I have never been able to see the point of 4 minutes and 33 seconds of silence and I don't think that I will be around to enjoy all of his 639 year masterwork.
Now John Cale, that is a completely different matter, his version of Leonard Cohen's Halellujah
was almost as good as The Gift
The Gift is awesome I remember listening to it donkeys years ago. Now Metal Machine Music, that's shear craziness Lou Reed at his weirdest.
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Does a this chord change beat a pitch drop?
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Pretty sure some other artist released a single that was silent for the duration a few decades ago.
On the other hand we have Napalm Death - You Suffer
On the other hand we have Napalm Death - You Suffer
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Not heard Metal Machine Music, I am not a huge fan of Lou Reed.
However, in gratitude for your tip I offer you "The visitation" from Vorhaus and Derbyshire's White Noise . . .
Ha pretty much the same level of crazy.
As usual, a lot of closed-minded posts on this forum when it comes to the arts. Before I continue I will say this is exactly why I was stealth-banned before here - a lot of accusations that I was "trolling" for having a different opinion. Well, I don't care anymore. This is what I think genuinely, sorry if it's out-of-step with 99% of the board.
But it's not silence, because there is no such thing as total silence. Even if you were able to exist in a vacuum, you would still be able to hear the blood rushing round your head. 4'33" exists to force people to do nothing but to pay attention to the sounds around them in a world where doing nothing and being still exists so rarely outside of spirituality, it also exists to examine what music actually is. Everything you hear has a certain tone and resonance to it, and there are always sounds around you, many of which you miss, which could be considered background music. 4'33" is an ever-changing piece which highlights your relative personal and/or shared soundscape.
Challenging preconceptions is seen as pretentious rubbish by some, and advancement and progression by others. Cage, on the one hand, can be considered ahead of this time, but on the other he can't because his pieces will go on for hundreds of years. It's a fabulous way to be both immortal [or post-mortal] and current.
Absolutely relative, he has done far more for music and sound art than a lot of so-called "talented" "artists" you see in the news these days.
But it's not silence, because there is no such thing as total silence. Even if you were able to exist in a vacuum, you would still be able to hear the blood rushing round your head. 4'33" exists to force people to do nothing but to pay attention to the sounds around them in a world where doing nothing and being still exists so rarely outside of spirituality, it also exists to examine what music actually is. Everything you hear has a certain tone and resonance to it, and there are always sounds around you, many of which you miss, which could be considered background music. 4'33" is an ever-changing piece which highlights your relative personal and/or shared soundscape.
Challenging preconceptions is seen as pretentious rubbish by some, and advancement and progression by others. Cage, on the one hand, can be considered ahead of this time, but on the other he can't because his pieces will go on for hundreds of years. It's a fabulous way to be both immortal [or post-mortal] and current.
Absolutely relative, he has done far more for music and sound art than a lot of so-called "talented" "artists" you see in the news these days.
Closed minded posts or just opinions which differ to yours?
No, closed-minded. Dismissing something different as "rubbish" shows no willingness to engage with that subject matter in any detail or to put any effort into thinking about it.
It's absolutely fine for people to disagree as long as they justify their position. But just saying something is "rubbish" and leaving the thread is closed-minded.
Not really, it's not a debate no one needs to justify themselves or has been asked to.
That's like saying I'm wrong giving the answer to a maths question because I've not shown my working out.
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It's not very civilised to make derogatory remarks about others, either...
I suppose you would be wrong, though, as maths is basically a science... and no scientist can simply state something as truth. They have to go through the whole process of substantiating their findings, detailing their methods of study, and proving why it is the truth.
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Did you really need to resort to sarcasm in the first place...?Did my post really need a sarcasm tag?
Complete rubbish, we need genuine skilled artists like Tracy Emin and her ** If you feel you must swear please ensure you star the word out fully, not just some of the letters ** stained unmade bed covered in used condoms that someone actually paid £2.5 million quid for 
Real art is the celebration of beauty, sometimes manifested just by a show of human skill or craftsmanship.
Modern art is the celebration of the ugly and the distorted, it seeks to demand respect for all things being equally valid or good when clearly they are not.
Hopefully we will come to our sense and people will look back on post modernism with absolute horror.
Modern art is the celebration of the ugly and the distorted, it seeks to demand respect for all things being equally valid or good when clearly they are not.
Hopefully we will come to our sense and people will look back on post modernism with absolute horror.