jsut some help if possible

[Reaper 392]

i want a mother board that has 1 x Optical S/PDIF out and the surround sound 6 x Audio jack's and loads of usb ports 4 ram slots just in case, and fairly new i dont know much technical spec

both the motherboard i specced have that

ahh i seee if i got the lepa w series would 500w be enough? yeah i woas thinking that about the ram, i do appriacite all this help

the lepa 500W and the antec 550W would be enough to power one 6870, the prce difference between the two is because the lepa is not modular and the antec is. the antec 650W would be enough to power two 6870's. the OCZ 850W would be enough to power two of any card on the market (except two 6990s or 590s)

 

[mp260767]

if you look at the link to the hiper explosive club you'll see that changing your PSU now would be a very good idea.

to be fair plenty of people had hipers that didn't blow and if its not gone by now (and its been regularly used) would be suprised if it was going it.

if the budget allows for it to be updated for sli/xfire then fair enough, if not then i'd leave it until it can be.

 

[solly2]

ah wicked , i would like to go intel but they seem quite expensive. im just being a cheapskate i suppose so my antec 550w wil ldo for now and ill purchase a more reliable psu on a later date

 

[solly2]

to be fair plenty of people had hipers that didn't blow and if its not gone by now (and its been regularly used) would be suprised if it was going it.

if the budget allows for it to be updated for sli/xfire then fair enough, if not then i'd leave it until it can be.

i use my computer all the time at the moments its only a duel core amd atm with a cheap g card and 4gb ram, and it hasent blown up so i guess its a good one?

 

[Reaper 392]

ah wicked , i would like to go intel but they seem quite expensive. im just being a cheapskate i suppose so my antec 550w wil ldo for now and ill purchase a more reliable psu on a later date

intel have the best CPUs over the entire price range tbh:
1 x Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail with FREE TrackMania 2 Canyon PC Game £155.99
1 x AMD Phenom II X6 Six Core 1100T Black Edition 3.30GHz (Socket AM3) - Retail with FREE Deus Ex PC Game £149.99

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=288


1 x Intel Core i3-2100 3.10GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail £94.99
1 x AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 955 Black Edition "125W Edition" 3.20GHz (Socket AM3) - Retail with FREE Deus Ex PC Game £85.99

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/88?vs=289


1 x Intel Pentium G620 2.60GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail £53.99
1 x AMD Athlon II X2 Dual Core 265 3.30GHz (Socket AM3) - Retail £51.98

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/190?vs=406

 

[solly2]

aww man lol i look at them bench results and intel its just far better, makes me keep changing my mind

 

[solly2]

But saying that looking at your pc spec ytou have an amd processor the same one i was going to buy? :s

 

[mp260767]

But saying that looking at your pc spec ytou have an amd processor the same one i was going to buy? :s

more than likely cos it was a flippin decent processor at the time , but times move on and if he was buying now dont doubt he would be on an intel.

 

[Reaper 392]

But saying that looking at your pc spec ytou have an amd processor the same one i was going to buy? :s

yeah, at the time i bought it the i3 2100 was priced a lot higher than the phenom II X4 955BE. also, the motherboard prices for the i3 2100 were extortionate (~£80 for the cheapest, compared to mine which was ~£50 at the time). now though the intel motherboards have plummeted in price and the processors are pretty even

 

[solly2]

so if yo uwas to buy now like i am you would choose the intel board Gigabyte Z68XP-UD3 and i3 2100?

 

[Reaper 392]

so if yo uwas to buy now like i am you would choose the intel board Gigabyte Z68XP-UD3 and i3 2100?

well, my budget was £400 for everything aside from the cooler, which quickly got stretched to £450, so i would have gone for a much cheaper mobo. but for what your after then yes that will be a good choice. you cant overclock the i3 2100, but if you were to upgrade to the i5 2500k later on then you could overclock that.

its really a case performance vs upgradeability:

lower performance, but far better upgrade paths
1 x HIS ATI Radeon HD 6870 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card with DIRT3 & Deus Ex PC Games £131.99
1 x Gigabyte Z68XP-UD3 Intel Z68 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £99.98
1 x Intel Core i3-2100 3.10GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail £94.99
1 x Corsair XMS3 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX8GX3M2A1600C9) £53.99
Total : £392.35 (includes shipping : £9.50).

higher performance, but not as easy to upgrade
1 x Intel Core i5-2400 3.10GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail £149.99
1 x HIS ATI Radeon HD 6870 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card with DIRT3 & Deus Ex PC Games £131.99
1 x Corsair XMS3 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX8GX3M2A1600C9) £53.99
1 x MSI H61M-E33 Intel H61 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard **B3 REVISION** £46.99
Total : £394.36 (includes shipping : £9.50).

 

[solly2]

Wow thanks for all this help mate Really Appricitate it , yeah i reckon im gonna go with the i3 as i would prefer a better mobo for better upgrade options.

 

[Fragg]

amd and intel, both have their pros and cons.


unless you have 2 computers running side by side, you shouldnt notice the difference. i dont want to start a war but generally speaking, amd can multitask slightly better, intel are great when just using a single application,
I am an amd fan (phenom II x6), my neighbour is with intel (i7 970) - we usually get around the same framerates in games. some games i would get more, some games he can get more.

amd have a new processor coming out soon - the bulldozer, if you wait for its realease, i suspect prices for the phenom 2 will drop as everyone wants to sell them and get the new processor.
the bulldozer will have an am3+ chipset so if you want to upgrade in the future you need an am3+ board, i picked one out for you earlier. i cant help with intel sorry.

the i7 can be overclocked further, but if you were to overclock you would have to invest in a cpu cooler instead of using the stock cooler which comes with the processor.


unless you are to overclock is arguably no difference. I would recommend the phenom II x6, it provides a lot of power and is relatively cheaper.


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Definately get the 6870 graphics card, if you find you have more money to spend, get the 6950. but it shouldnt make much of difference, the 6870 will max all of your games and can cheaply be cross-fired in the future for extra performance

 

[solly2]

ahh , thanks for your help, do you know when that is due to come out?

 

[Marine-RX179]

so if yo uwas to buy now like i am you would choose the intel board Gigabyte Z68XP-UD3 and i3 2100?

I would suggest you to not so rush and take your time and wait for recommendation for the motherboard.

One thing for sure is that if you are building a new build, avoid Phenom II at all cost! This is because a i3 2100 deliver the same performance as a Phenom II X4 at 3.8GHz in even games that uses all 4 cores such as BFBC2, and in games that are not design to use all 4 cores, the Phenom II X4 will fall behind the i3 2100. Also not to mention that a Phenom II X4 at 3.8GHz under load is rougly double the power consumption of the i3 2100 (140W vs 65W), as well as running much hotter and need a beefy CPU cooler, whereas the i3 2100 chilling even on the stock Intel CPU cooler.

If you MUST go AMD, wait for Bulldozer and don't go Phenom II!

And ignore the Fragg's quote for "i7 can be overclocked further, but if you were to overclock you would have to invest in a cpu cooler instead of using the stock cooler which comes with the processor", as we are talking about SandyBridge here, not last gen Intel platform. The i5 2500K can be confirm to be able to overclock and 4.0GHz fine at reasonable temp even on the stock Intel cooler. Also, he doesn't seem to understand Phenom II's limitation, particularly in games that uses 3 cores or less. In CPU demanding games that doesn't use 4 cores such as Total Wars series and WOW, the Phenom II will be streets behind the Intel platform...not just current gen SandyBridge, but last gen i5/i7 as well.

Also Phenom II will bottleneck Crossfire/SLI of two current mid-range/high-end cards, because its aging K10 architecture is simply far too slow in today's standard.

So simply put, if you are getting a new build right now, right this moment...you should go Intel SandyBridge. But if you are not in a hurry, you can wait for AMD's Bulldozer (should be out very soon) and reviews on it, before deciding to go Intel or AMD.

 

[Fragg]

I would suggest you to not so rush and take your time and wait for recommendation for the motherboard.

One thing for sure is that if you are building a new build, avoid Phenom II at all cost! This is because a i3 2100 deliver the same performance as a Phenom II X4 at 3.8GHz in even games that uses all 4 cores such as BFBC2, and in games that are not design to use all 4 cores, the Phenom II X4 will fall behind the i3 2100. Also not to mention that a Phenom II X4 at 3.8GHz under load is rougly double the power consumption of the i3 2100 (140W vs 65W), as well as running much hotter and need a beefy CPU cooler, whereas the i3 2100 chilling even on the stock Intel CPU cooler.

If you MUST go AMD, wait for Bulldozer and don't go Phenom II!

And ignore the Fragg's quote for "i7 can be overclocked further, but if you were to overclock you would have to invest in a cpu cooler instead of using the stock cooler which comes with the processor", as we are talking about SandyBridge here, not last gen Intel platform. The i5 2500K can be confirm to be able to overclock and 4.0GHz fine at reasonable temp even on the stock Intel cooler. Also, he doesn't seem to understand Phenom II's limitation, particularly in games that uses 3 cores or less. In CPU demanding games that doesn't use 4 cores such as Total Wars series and WOW, the Phenom II will be streets behind the Intel platform...not just current gen SandyBridge, but last gen i5/i7 as well.

Also Phenom II will bottleneck Crossfire/SLI of two current mid-range/high-end cards, because its aging K10 architecture is simply far too slow in today's standard.

So simply put, if you are getting a new build right now, right this moment...you should go Intel SandyBridge. But if you are not in a hurry, you can wait for AMD's Bulldozer (should be out very soon) and reviews on it, before deciding to go Intel or AMD.

i know who is a sandybridge fan ^.^

solly, do a little bit of research, a lot of people on forums can be very biased towards the cpu they have.

i suspect the bulldozer will be very expensive when it is released which i think should be next month.
buy a cheap cpu for now, such as the phenom 2 x4 or i5. when the bulldozer is released - get it for christmas or buy the i7 or phenom 2 x6 as a lot of people would want to get rid of there cpus to buy the bulldozer.

although a lot of people try to say which is better - they are relatively similar. you shouldnt notice the difference unless you are extremly overclocking in which case, you would have to buy a new heatsink and possble enter watercooling - which people only do to show off

 

[Marine-RX179]

i know who is a sandybridge fan ^.^

solly, do a little bit of research, a lot of people on forums can be very biased towards the cpu they have.

Funny how you call others being biased, when ironically you yourself think Phenom II is as good as the newer faster CPU. There's nothing "biased" about stating a faster, lower power-consumption and less heat is a better choice than an old, less power-efficient when the build cost are roughly the same.

"Do a little bit of research"...would be good if you actually take your own advise...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i3-2120-2100_5.html
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/62
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/60
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/129

If anything, I would hope AMD's Bulldozer would actually threaten SandyBridge or even unseat it from the king throne, as more competitions means better faster CPUs for us consumers.

 

[Reaper 392]

amd and intel, both have their pros and cons.

unless you have 2 computers running side by side, you shouldnt notice the difference. i dont want to start a war but generally speaking, amd can multitask slightly better, intel are great when just using a single application,
I am an amd fan (phenom II x6), my neighbour is with intel (i7 970) - we usually get around the same framerates in games. some games i would get more, some games he can get more.

the i7 can be overclocked further, but if you were to overclock you would have to invest in a cpu cooler instead of using the stock cooler which comes with the processor.


unless you are to overclock is arguably no difference. I would recommend the phenom II x6, it provides a lot of power and is relatively cheaper.

i'm struggling to find a single true fact there fragg. if you look at my post on the previous page you'll see that intel destroy similarly priced phenoms in every single area:

intel have the best CPUs over the entire price range tbh:
1 x Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail with FREE TrackMania 2 Canyon PC Game £155.99
1 x AMD Phenom II X6 Six Core 1100T Black Edition 3.30GHz (Socket AM3) - Retail with FREE Deus Ex PC Game £149.99

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=288


1 x Intel Core i3-2100 3.10GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail £94.99
1 x AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 955 Black Edition "125W Edition" 3.20GHz (Socket AM3) - Retail with FREE Deus Ex PC Game £85.99

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/88?vs=289


1 x Intel Pentium G620 2.60GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail £53.99
1 x AMD Athlon II X2 Dual Core 265 3.30GHz (Socket AM3) - Retail £51.98

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/190?vs=406

also, the phenom II X6 is the one processor i really wouldnt get for a gaming PC. 99% of games cannot utilise more than 4 cores, so the extra 2 cores of the X6 over the X4 is a giant waist of money.

and dont forget, you can happily overclock the i5 2500k or the i7 2600k to 4.2Ghz on the standard cooler