UKDTweak said:
I'm a "modern cyclist", and I have good regard for the law, and also the damage to my health from car drivers who appear not to have any regard for the law whatsoever. So **** off and direct your generalisations more accurately.
Judge fines cyclist for using road
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I'm a "modern cyclist", and I have good regard for the law, and also the damage to my health from car drivers who appear not to have any regard for the law whatsoever. So **** off and direct your generalisations more accurately.
Unfortunately this thread does seem to be about cyclists vs car users. Neither side can see from the other's perspective.
Myself, I am big on cycling, 10 yrs ago I wanted to join the pro ranks of cycling. Now, I just cycle to and from work and also sometimes for recreation at night when the roads are clear and fast.
Myself, I am big on cycling, 10 yrs ago I wanted to join the pro ranks of cycling. Now, I just cycle to and from work and also sometimes for recreation at night when the roads are clear and fast.
growse said:
Your tone is a little angry, and swearing at me does not make you look clever, however, my generalisation is aimed at the fact cyclists dont have insurance to cover any damage they do, hence my no regard comment.
If i annoyed you with my comment, well sorry, but i pay to use the road, including insurance to cover IF i have an accident.... most cyclists dont.. FACT!!
Was said:bicycles dont pay tax so imo they shouldnt eb on the road anyway
yo do realise the reason motorists pay road tax is because the roads actually belong to cyclists and horse riders/carts. You pay the tax to be allowed to drive on it like you would pay someone with a race track to race on it.
Sooo I think us cyclists and horseriders should ban all motorised transport on our roads. 
P.S. Before somebody moans, I am joking and although the law still stands no one takes any notice.
JBuk said:i find some of the attitudes against cyclists laughable.
maybe if some of you drivers got your fat backsides out of your cars and got on a bike you have a different opinion
I find some of the attitudes against car drivers to be laughable.
Maybe if cyclists actually started paying attention to what was going on around them, and could be held accountable for their actions on the roads in the same way that drivers are then we'd all get along.
Had to pick up on this, from the link basmic posted:
What a load of crap....
I don't see how you can defend the guy's actions. There was a cycle lane - I'd want to see photos to prove it was as covered in glass as that website claims - that was certainly useable. The guy chose not to use it, and instead to get in the way of other road users. End. Of. Story.
Oh good Lord. Please, please, please deliver me from the morons of this world who seem to be infesting the entire land.....
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UKDTweak said:
But you've generalised about cyclists and specified about yourself as car user. In April my uncle who was cycling was hit by a speeding drive who was on his mobile at the time, it flipped him to the other side of the road where a car had to swerve to avoid him in the process hitting 2 oncoming cars. The accident ended up involving 5 motor vehicles of that 5, 3 had no insurance and 2 had out of date tax disks. From that I could generalise that motorists are scheming coniving slackers who avoid paying what they are leaglly obliged to. Now I know that's not a fact as I'm also a motorist as well as a cyclist, take everyone as individuals as that's what they are.
Sorry to hear about your uncle, hope he was ok. but your "generalisation" is worse than mine, most cyclist, Dont have insurance, most car drivers Do, therefore how were you to say that "motorists are scheming coniving slackers who avoid paying what they are leaglly obliged to" ??
The driver using the mobile was an idiot, granted, but what makes you say the above comment ?
The driver using the mobile was an idiot, granted, but what makes you say the above comment ?
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UKDTweak said:
His comment derives from that single accident, 5 drivers, 3 has no insurance, and 2 had no tax.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4794198.stm
It wouldn't suprise me if the cycle lane mentioned in the article was like the one to the right on picture 6. Where I used to live the only area suitable for cyclists was one side of a traffic light that had a filter for 3 metres, and that was the councils idea of making the area cyclist friendly.
Another thing that really annoys me on the road is speedbumps. After using said filter lane the road is then full of speedbumps. Cars come roaring past on the narrow road and then break down to 15mph for the bump, forcing me to break to avoid hitting them.
It wouldn't suprise me if the cycle lane mentioned in the article was like the one to the right on picture 6. Where I used to live the only area suitable for cyclists was one side of a traffic light that had a filter for 3 metres, and that was the councils idea of making the area cyclist friendly.
Another thing that really annoys me on the road is speedbumps. After using said filter lane the road is then full of speedbumps. Cars come roaring past on the narrow road and then break down to 15mph for the bump, forcing me to break to avoid hitting them.
I'm all for the judge. A cyclist doesn't have to pass any test to be able to use the road, doesn't have to have any form of insurance, can ride a bike in just about any nick, doesn't have to wear any protective clothing, doesn't have to pay to use the road, more often than not, has either no lights or just a couple of flashing LED's to light up the road ahead (if you're lucky), very rarely can you see them giving you a signal to indicate the direction of their travel, can often be seen skipping red lights and should you be unfortunate enough to have one of them hit your car with their bike then don't expect them to fork out for any damage, but they always try and defend themselves by saying 'Ooooh, I'm getting fit and you aren't' and 'At least I'm saving the planet'.
It's still a vehicle (motorised or not). Pass a test, get insurance and stop whinging
I was an avid cyclist myself until I passed my test and bought a 'real' bike
Al
It's still a vehicle (motorised or not). Pass a test, get insurance and stop whinging
I was an avid cyclist myself until I passed my test and bought a 'real' bike
Al
Old No.7 said:I'm all for the judge. A cyclist doesn't have to pass any test to be able to use the road, doesn't have to have any form of insurance, can ride a bike in just about any nick, doesn't have to wear any protective clothing, doesn't have to pay to use the road, more often than not, has either no lights or just a couple of flashing LED's to light up the road ahead (if you're lucky), very rarely can you see them giving you a signal to indicate the direction of their travel, can often be seen skipping red lights and should you be unfortunate enough to have one of them hit your car with their bike then don't expect them to fork out for any damage, but they always try and defend themselves by saying 'Ooooh, I'm getting fit and you aren't' and 'At least I'm saving the planet'.
It's still a vehicle (motorised or not). Pass a test, get insurance and stop whinging
I was an avid cyclist myself until I passed my test and bought a 'real' bike
Al
The judge obviously doesn't cycle otherwise he'd understand the dangers. Car drivers only have to pass a theory and a practical test, which judging by the skills of most of the drivers i've seen must be fairly lax. Many times i have seen drivers drive with their fogs on when there is no fog, doing inappropriate speed for the conditions, jumping red lights (otherwise there would be no need for red light cameras?). Their vehicles are only tested for suitability once a year if old enough. If something is to go wrong inbetween the driver is often unaware that there is an issue, or they feel safe because they are sitting comfortably. From what i've heard in a few threads in motors people's vehicles are getting damaged by other motorists whilst parked and then leaving the scene, forcing the innocent victim to fork out.
Don't try to generalise all cyclists and I won't try to generalise all drivers
Careless / wreckless cycling can be fined from £500 to £2,500.Old No.7 said:I'm all for the judge. A cyclist doesn't have to pass any test to be able to use the road, doesn't have to have any form of insurance, can ride a bike in just about any nick, Statutory £30 Fixed Penalty Notice for non road worthy bikes doesn't have to wear any protective clothing Statutory £30 Fixed Penalty Notice for not wearing protective gear (i.e. helmet), doesn't have to pay to use the road, more often than not, has either no lights or just a couple of flashing LED's to light up the road ahead (if you're lucky) Statutory £30 Fixed Penalty Notice for not having refelectors on pedals and lights at night, very rarely can you see them giving you a signal to indicate the direction of their travel, can often be seen skipping red lights Statutory £30 Fixed Penalty Notice again and should you be unfortunate enough to have one of them hit your car with their bike then don't expect them to fork out for any damage, but they always try and defend themselves by saying 'Ooooh, I'm getting fit and you aren't' and 'At least I'm saving the planet'.
It's still a vehicle (motorised or not). Pass a test, get insurance and stop whinging
I was an avid cyclist myself until I passed my test and bought a 'real' bike
Al
UKDTweak said:
It is. Apparently, I can generalise that the road is full of morons who all think they own it because they "paid" for it.
Well, we'll let others be the judge of that. Generalising about a large group of people who you have probably only encountered 1% of in your driving life doesn't make you look clever either, I'd say.
If person A cycles without insurance, he therefore must have no regard for the law or other road users? Care to explain?
I pay to use the road to. It's called tax. Everyone pays tax. Taxes all go into this big pot, and stuff gets paid for from that. It's how the government works. Road tax doesn't exclusively pay for roads, NI doesn't exclusively pay for pensions and the NHS, and booze/tobacco tax doesn't exclusively pay for the NHS either. Everyone pays for the roads, because it's there for free use by all.
You pay for insurance, because you're legally obliged to. As a cyclist, I'm not, but I can choose to. At the moment, I choose not because I don't cycle very often. In the past, where I was cycling every single day (5+ years), I chose not to have insurance either, but was fully prepared to accept the fact that in an accident, I would have to pay damages if I was liable. I also realised that in an accident, I was most likely to be either a) dead or b) badly injured, so I tended to avoid them. These days, if I were to cycle regularly, I probably would take out 3rd party insurance, as I can afford to do that and it gives me peace of mind.
I think everyone knows that there are scum out there who ride bikes, and don't give a crap about what damage they cause. Still, they've probably never seen anyone been hit by a car when cycling.
So wake up and stop generalising against cyclists just because some scum happen to ride bikes.
Where are you getting your facts from Boris?
Steeps, I know that there are some really old pieces of crap out there that call themselves 'motor vehicles' and are driven by people who really shouldn't be on the road and as I've said before, I used to cycle, so I can see things from both sides. I wasn't trying to generalise, I was just making an observation from my own experience
Al
Steeps, I know that there are some really old pieces of crap out there that call themselves 'motor vehicles' and are driven by people who really shouldn't be on the road and as I've said before, I used to cycle, so I can see things from both sides. I wasn't trying to generalise, I was just making an observation from my own experience
Al
