Jules Bianchi thread for updates and discussion

Agreed again. It must be twice as hard for them at this time of year. :(

I said on the day of the accident that I was flabbergasted that a safety car wasn't deployed and have said so numerous times since. I was disappointed that the investigation just brushed those sort of remarks under the carpet, irrespective of the "independent" bodies appointed.

If ever there was a clear-cut need for a safety car it was shouting it loud and clear the moment Sutil's car was being attended to, if not before.

Motorsport is dangerous, and it often surprises us in the way that danger manifests itself, but you don't cross your fingers and toy with peoples safety when the danger is so utterly blatant.
 
Especially considering how they overuse the safety car most of the time, such as when the track is slightly damp. It was crazy not to have deployed the safety car and it is not even a case of hindsight.
 
Quite. I'm all for the sport having a bit of danger, but this wasn't 'sportingly' dangerous - it was flat out wrong. No recovery vehicle should be anywhere near deployed before the safety car has the field under control.
 
The person most responsible for his death is dead. Lessons should be learnt but that doesn't equate to making people pay.
 
Double waved yellows.

b) Yellow flag: This is a signal of danger and should be shown to drivers in two ways with the following meanings:

Single waved: Reduce your speed, do not overtake and be prepared to change direction. There is a hazard beside or partly on the track.

Double waved: Reduce your speed, do not overtake and be prepared to change direction or stop. There is a hazard wholly or partly blocking the track.

Yellow flags should normally be shown only at the marshals’ post immediately preceding the hazard. In some cases however the Clerk of the Course may order them to be shown at more than one marshals’ post preceding an incident. Overtaking is not permitted between the first yellow flag and the green flag displayed after the incident.

Yellow flags should not be shown in the pit lane unless there is an incident of which the driver should be made aware.

He wasn't prepared to stop. He was accelerating.
 
I don't believe he was driving any differently to any other driver on the track though, and wasn't that the point that was being made? No driver can drive around 80 mph slower than the others and expect to compete. They need protecting from themselves sometimes.
 
I don't believe he was driving any differently to any other driver on the track though, and wasn't that the point that was being made? No driver can drive around 80 mph slower than the others and expect to compete. They need protecting from themselves sometimes.

Exactly. If you don't implement the regulations (ensuring all drivers are "prepared to stop") then everyone ignores them so you need to enforce that the drivers go slower through that hazardous zone and a safety car would have done that.

It's not like the drivers would have set a fastest sector as the track was deteriorating, rivers were forming and most of the field was on heavily worn inters, so double-waved yellows were completely inappropriate.
 
People are so weird about it, accelerating doesn't mean you aren't prepared to stop, every single driver on the track was accelerating at multiple points throughout the lap.

Second it was raining and getting worse, thus the track conditions change every lap, till you hit that part of the track you don't actually know what a safe speed is. It is F1 regulations that mean going any slower than necessary is punished significantly. If you drop 3 seconds you don't need to then the guy behind you gains or the guy ahead you were trying to catch up gets away, these things lead to your drive being taken away from you.

An actual speed limit implemented by the control room based on their intricate knowledge of the track under different conditions could easily have saved his life. Every other driver went through the same corner as fast as they could rather than the rules dictating like virtual safety car, a slow enough time that no car has ANY reason at all to speed through any corner of the track. A virtual safety car has been feasible and implementable with existing technology for donkeys years, others racing series had them. They also had a real safety car with a similar but not identical effect. It still doesn't dictate a 'closing' speed to get into a queue which means you could still do the same speed however as a driver is joining a queue they are less inclined to take risk as they have less to lose. Though pitstops come into play, if speeding around and gaining 3 seconds means coming out of the pits ahead of someone who cruised in, unfortunately there is still gains to be made.

These are things Charlie and everyone else knew about at the time, the conditions were getting worse, the drivers would be going as fast as they could get away with, that is one of the most troubling corners in the rain with a statistically significantly higher chance of someone else going off at that corner..... they sent out a recovery vehicle that would be ludicrously dangerous for anyone else that went off at that corner.

if Jules went off and the recovery vehicle hadn't been deployed he'd most likely be alive, still a bad crash but wouldn't have smashed his head against a solid concrete block. If they had deployed a virtual safety car, he WOULD be alive, if they had speed limits implemented for specifically dangerous corners under double yellows, he'd likely be alive, etc, etc.

There were loads of ways that corner could have been made safe under those conditions. Instead the FIA continued with an incredibly dangerous method of double waved yellows in which EVERY driver in the history of F1 went as fast as they could get away with. They had decades to fix that attitude/mentality and did nothing. The decision to send out a recovery vehicle in changing conditions before knowing if the corner would get worse is criminal, whoever made that specific decision, Charlie, someone else in the room or a marshal at the location should be held accountable.
 
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With hindsight it was an accident decades in the making, drivers have been taking liberties with yellow flags for probably as long as yellow flags have been in existence! The FIA chose to turn a blind eye to it so the drivers had no choice but to push as they would receive no assistance from the FIA dishing out penalties for drivers speeding.

They'd had near misses in the past and even then chose to do nothing. There's plenty of case there if Jules's dad does want to take it to court, whether they would find the FIA accountable or not is a different matter.
 
Whos fault was it? Bianchis.

Who needs to make serious changes to ensure it doesn't happen again? FIA.

This. Only he was responsible for his safety and made a mistake. You could argue that the recovery vehicle saved someone else's life. If it wasn't there and there were marshals around Sutil's car he would have hit them all.
 
This. Only he was responsible for his safety and made a mistake. You could argue that the recovery vehicle saved someone else's life. If it wasn't there and there were marshals around Sutil's car he would have hit them all.

That is very true actually. It could have potentially been worse for others if that recovery vehicle was not there (even though Bianchi likely would have survived).

The fact is, it is never going to be 100% safe unless all the fun is taken out of it. These are super lightweight cars flying around tarmac at ~200mph. That always has the potential for something to go wrong.
 
They never enforce the double waved yellows rule though.

If there was evidence they do and Jules willfully ignored firm instructions then fair enough.

I think they have always been irresponsible with regards yellow flags.
 
That doesn't change the fact he made a mistake. He ignored warnings, drove too fast for conditions and sadly payed for it. That should be the end of it.
If someone crashes into you because they didn't indicate will you blame police for not enforcing it more?
 
Its good the FIA have learnt from this with the VSC, but have to agree with bayo000 that he was going too quick for the conditions. The drivers have to be aware that yellow or double yellows could mean anything coming up on or off the track.
 
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