Juncker calls for the creation of an EU army.

mmj_uk · 13 Mar 2015 at 13:16

RT had a good well thought out article:

Making NATO defunct: Is EU Army intended to reduce US influence in Europe?

Not suprising we're against it then with our unidirectional 'special relationship'.

Tefal · 13 Mar 2015 at 13:21

Xordium said:
The illusion of choice is no choice at all! The people that should count don't get that choice is what I should have said.

They wouldn't afterwards either it would just be like nato standard mags fuel and various other standards but not the same equipment.

Only difference the the boot on the grounds is there's now more people wanting him to go fight and die for more causes that really shouldn't be his problem

Tefal · 13 Mar 2015 at 13:23

Zethor said:
Nationalism is past its expiry date, many people (particularly educated young ones connected through the internet, games or social networks) are now seeing they have a lot in common with their peers from other developed democracies and few differences. What exactly then, is the point of having a border? Are there honestly many differences between the interests of the UK and those of the Czech Republic? The pride of being part of an entity which strongly stands for freedom, human rights and progress will surpass the pride of being part of a certain state.

A superstate is the next natural step in the evolution of society.

If that was true why did they drop the voting age for the Scottish referendum to try and boost the independence vote?

Tunney · 13 Mar 2015 at 13:25

I think it's obvious that this country can no longer support a large, public sector defence force. And the obvious answer is to privatise the sector. I'm sure G4S, Capita or Stobart Group could do a much more efficient job and provide real value to hard-working tax payers.

Lima · 13 Mar 2015 at 13:45

Tunney said:
I think it's obvious that this country can no longer support a large, public sector defence force. And the obvious answer is to privatise the sector. I'm sure G4S, Capita or Stobart Group could do a much more efficient job and provide real value to hard-working tax payers.

The troll is strong in this one.

balky12 · 13 Mar 2015 at 13:50

Lima said:
The troll is strong in this one.

I think he has a point.

Then I would use the soldiers headcams to create a live feed to paying subscribers during conflict.

Ring up Activision and get some deal for their kill cameraman.

All you need are some commentators and analysis teams with soldiers stats (distance covered/shots fired/kills confirmed / etc.)

They will be on footballers wages before you know it.

Profit.

NexusK · 13 Mar 2015 at 13:59

balky12 said:
I think he has a point.

Then I would use the soldiers headcams to create a live feed to paying subscribers during conflict.

Ring up Activision and get some deal for their kill cameraman.

All you need are some commentators and analysis teams with soldiers stats (distance covered/shots fired/kills confirmed / etc.)

They will be on footballers wages before you know it.

Profit.

Genius

Xordium · 13 Mar 2015 at 18:41

Castiel said:
Anglo-French military cooperation and integration is at an all time high and will continue to be so.

Yep, not bad for "traditional foes" eh! Heaven forbid we'll be working with the Germans next or even worse ... the Scottish.

Tefal · 13 Mar 2015 at 18:48

Xordium said:
Yep, not bad for "traditional foes" eh! Heaven forbid we'll be working with the Germans next or even worse ... the Scottish.

but if we say work with the french and the Germans, what more do we gain by working with the polish or the Romanians?

Castiel · 13 Mar 2015 at 19:03

Tefal said:
but if we say work with the french and the Germans, what more do we gain by working with the polish or the Romanians?

Not much, the same with the Germans, who traditionally are reticent to enter into bilateral joint agreements...they don't like spending on defence.

Orionaut · 13 Mar 2015 at 20:40

Zethor said:
Nationalism is past its expiry date, many people (particularly educated young ones connected through the internet, games or social networks) are now seeing they have a lot in common with their peers from other developed democracies and few differences. What exactly then, is the point of having a border? Are there honestly many differences between the interests of the UK and those of the Czech Republic? The pride of being part of an entity which strongly stands for freedom, human rights and progress will surpass the pride of being part of a certain state.

A superstate is the next natural step in the evolution of society.

Empire builders since the dawn of recorded history have always believed that their own creations are the last word on how human societies should operate.

However, Empires always fall, And when they do, it is always nasty and messy!

The "European Dream" is just another Empire and in time it will fall too!

arc@css · 13 Mar 2015 at 21:21

It will happen.