Jury Service (Do NOT turn this into a 'how to get out of jury service' thread)

I have done it before... You can defer it if your work deems it to be an issue, i did that once but then went on the second summons.. It was fine but was a complete farce to be honest. Ended when a police officer revealed some information that the defendant was also under investigation by another division and that was it, done after a few days.. At least it got me out of work for a little while.
 
This. I despair when I see people making up all kinds of stupid excuses to get out of it (appreciate that's not being discussed in this thread so please let's keep it that way).
Not everyone wants to do it. Up to them if you ask me, why force people into it, when there are people that don't mind.
 
Not everyone wants to do it. Up to them if you ask me, why force people into it, when there are people that don't mind.
The idea is that we are judged by our peers who should be a collection of people from any part of society. If it were restricted to just those people who wanted to do it then you might end up being tried by only some parts of society. e.g. most employed people would be told by their employer to refuse to do it. You would then find most jury's made up of retired people, people without a job, etc. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that but it would limit it to certain groups of people.
 
I have done it twice. First time was a murder trial. Quite the experience. Visited the murder scene (grim). Whilst viewing the morgue / pathologists photos in court two jury members puked and fainted.
Got to see some real scumbags up close and send them down for a sickening attack on a defenceless man.
Second time I was a foreman on two of three shorter cases. Worst of the bunch was a man who had a history of predatory sexual attacks on women. Guilty and jailed.
Got to be part of some justice. Either that or you could get a fraud case.
Only downside is you can tell that some of the jury just didnt want to be there and when you are trying to get a reasoned decision on a Friday afternoon, all they can talk about is which pub to go to. Got to love human nature.
 
Then there are those who want to do it just to vote guilty on every person.

Probably the same people who dont want to do it and get it over with quickly. Also there will be people who go whatever and just vote with the crowd to speed things up.
 
It would be interesting if they made it all done via video. So jury people could be at home and watch it through a live video feed.

I think if they did it like that more people would get involved.
 
Probably the same people who dont want to do it and get it over with quickly. Also there will be people who go whatever and just vote with the crowd to speed things up.
Exactly my thinking something so important you'd want people there that are going to take it seriously not just vote to hurry it up.
 
I have been called once which was back in 2012, but I didn't get selected for a case. All I did was wait around with 120 other people, in a room that was designed for 20 people, and it was incredibly hot in there. A petri-dish for germs. And lo and behold, I went down with a chest infection a week after which lasted for a fortnight.

Hopefully they will have pulled their weight after that set-up by the time the pandemic started.
 
Only downside is you can tell that some of the jury just didnt want to be there and when you are trying to get a reasoned decision on a Friday afternoon, all they can talk about is which pub to go to. Got to love human nature.

That's what happened with my case. We couldn't come to a decision so the judge got rid of us after a few days deliberating.

Without getting into the case - A Police man had claimed to be ran over by the defendant. He said the accused had a massive tattoo on his arm (he didn't) and then broke down crying saying all the trauma it had caused him.

The sticking point for a few of us was that he got the tattoo description wrong and not one, not even a single bit of evidence, proved he was in the car. They had no finger prints, no hair or other traces of DNA. A few of us found it impossible to be him beyond reasonable doubt. Some were just happy to say guilty if it meant leaving early but I couldn't do that in good faith
 
The sticking point for a few of us was that he got the tattoo description wrong and not one, not even a single bit of evidence, proved he was in the car. They had no finger prints, no hair or other traces of DNA. A few of us found it impossible to be him beyond reasonable doubt. Some were just happy to say guilty if it meant leaving early but I couldn't do that in good faith
I had something a bit similar in mine. It was a bar fight where a guy came out of the toilets to find a massive fight already started. It was peaceful when he went in but when he came out it was like a comedy scene out of a western film, with glasses and chairs flying everywhere. He tried to break up the fight but got attacked and started defending himself. He was a big guy so floored everyone who attacked him. But you could see on CCTV that he was actually showing a lot of restraint and only defending himself. Several of the jurors had decided his guilt as soon as we retired to the jurors room because there is no doubt he'd hit people. They just wanted to declare him guilty and go home early. But several felt quite strongly that his actions were justified so wouldn't let it go. I felt it our duty to really review and discuss what we thought rather than make our lives easy with a quick answer.
 
I've done it once and absolutely loved it. I'd jump at the chance to do it again.
This. I despair when I see people making up all kinds of stupid excuses to get out of it (appreciate that's not being discussed in this thread so please let's keep it that way).

I can sympathise with people not wanting to do it. I've been called up for a second time starting late next month. Did it previously around 5 years ago and the case was not a pleasant matter to hear about, compounded with half of the jury just immediately saying guilty before we'd seen any evidence just due to the nature of the accused crimes. All this during my birthday week. Fun times.

Hoping next month will be a diferent topic, I imagine a more victimless crime could be very interesting. But since that's not guaranteed and I have to faff about getting into the centre of town in a middle of a pandemic and potentially be exposed to morons that might think Covid is a hoax, I'm sure as hell not looking forward to it next month. If I see the court have taken little in the way of precautions around Covid I'll kick up a stink.
 
I felt it our duty to really review and discuss what we thought rather than make our lives easy with a quick answer.

Agree entirely. In my experience (must be 20 years ago) we had people erring away from that in both directions.

We had one lady who refused to vote guilty because her standard of proof was that she had to have seen it happen herself. Which is fairly daft, but didn't justify the people who were trying to coerce her to change her vote to guilty because "eventually the judge will accept a majority verdict, so they'll be found guilty anyway."
 
Do you not get in trouble if you just don't go or ignore them.
Yes, yes you do.

I posted this in a previous thread after someone suggested just not turning up.

A friend of mine has been a barrister for over twenty years so I thought he might have a better idea of the procedure.

The immediate question before the first answer here is

"If people just don't turn up, does it get followed up on?"

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just don't go.
This is really dumb advice.
 
Does it arrive by signed/tracked delivery? :D

I had a work colleage who had to go last year. Apparently they call up extra people because some people just don't show. He ended upsitting around for a week doing FA. Called in sick the 2nd week.
 
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