Just been dumped by O2

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GSXRMoviestar, I have an old O2 router if you want it (for free) to send back to them. Email in trust or I think you might have it anyway as I think I got you cheaper broadband on my friends and family?
That's really nice of you to offer, in that case if I can return a different router then i may be okay anyway as I I have an o2 wireless III box at home that I picked up on the cheap.

The original box they sent me was the older version but if they don't track serials etc i guess they would be fine if i sent them that?

Although I don't have the setup CD they asked for but will call customer support tomorrow and ask them to let me off that. :p
 
I was with O2 access awhile back and it was shocking with terrible pings and slow download speeds. It looks like they have not improved since I left and it makes me laugh when they quote this on their website regarding usage on the access product.

"How much should I cut my broadband use?
Most O2 customers use less than 10GB a month. Aim for that and you'll be okay."
 
This is a PM conversation I'm half having with one of the guys from O2 via their forums, regarding the Access FUP.

Paul@O2 wrote: said:
Hi Tibbsey.
I've got answers to the questions you've raised.

What criteria must a customer fulfil in order to be judged as affecting other customers?

The relevant extracts from our fixed broadband fair and acceptable usage policy terms and conditions say: If we feel that your activities are so excessive that other customers are detrimentally affected, we may give you a written warning (by email or otherwise). In extreme circumstances, if the levels of activity do not immediately decrease after the warning, we may terminate or suspend your Services. There is no fixed limit on the monthly network usage however most O2 customers use less than 10 GB per month.

What determines whether CustomerX affects CustomerY's O2 experience?

If Customer X's internet activities are so excessive it will mean there is significantly less bandwidth for customers Y and Z to use.

Our Definition of Excessive:
When we say ‘excessive’, we mean when someone’s use is having a significant detrimental impact on the service of our other customers.

I hope this answers your questions,
Paul

Hi Paul,

Unfortunately your response does not answer my question.
You have not indicated what specific criteria a customer must fulfil in order to be deemed as detrimentally affecting other customers.

Your response does seem to be telling me:

- O2 defines "detrimental affect to other customers" as "excessive usage"
- O2 defines "excessive usage" as anything that "detrimentally affects other customers"

I really hope that there is actually a set list of criteria, and O2 do not use the above tautology to subjectively decide whom to threaten with cancellation.

Regards,
Tibbsey

Has now been over 2 weeks since I sent that reply and I'm still waiting for any kind of response.
Complete shambles.
 
This is a PM conversation I'm half having with one of the guys from O2 via their forums, regarding the Access FUP.



Has now been over 2 weeks since I sent that reply and I'm still waiting for any kind of response.
Complete shambles.
You won't get useful answer, especially in writting. I'll dig out what I sent o2, they kept avoiding it and then when someone did answer they just gave a generic vague reply.

I did speak to one of the tech support guys and he was very honest, agreed that this push of FUP was to counter the over subscription and reduce costs at their end.
 
What option with BT are you then? lol

Ill be amazed if you could download 992gb with the worst isp in the country for throttling and FUP.

Well they only throttle at certain times apparently, 5pm-12am. So that leaves a lot of time to download at full speed.
 
my god this is terrible ive never heard of of an ISP being that bitchy towards a specific customer and then cut them off....im glad im with virgin even though it can be slow sometimes.
 
Got a call the other day saying that my service is being terminated in 30 days. No idea who to go with next. I live out in the middle of no where. :(
 
Got a call the other day saying that my service is being terminated in 30 days. No idea who to go with next. I live out in the middle of no where. :(

Damn, that's a shame. O2 must be on a drive to enrage all their customers.

Do you know the name of your exchange (samknows should tell you)? With that we may be able to check if any other services are available to you or will be soon.
 
Damn, that's a shame. O2 must be on a drive to enrage all their customers.

More like to get rid of the ones which are costing them money to provide service. It's long overdue in the current market and I'm surprised it's taken the bigger ISPs this long to get round to it. The fact is if you're using that much you're not paying enough to cover the costs and normal users are subsidising your connection, that ISPs have tolerated it consistently from some users up to this point is pretty amazingly.
 
This is a PM conversation I'm half having with one of the guys from O2 via their forums, regarding the Access FUP.



Has now been over 2 weeks since I sent that reply and I'm still waiting for any kind of response.
Complete shambles.

You're actually criticising them for taking the most reasonable and best course of action of course, for the vast majority of users this policy is very good. It protects the quality of their connection from heavy users and means they don't get automatically disadvantaged the moment they go over a arbitrary limit. A flexible abuse policy like this means they actually speak to those users who're a problem rather than just anyone who ever goes over xGB in y days. Setting hard specific limits is far less friendly for most and is less helpful for them as traffic levels vary wildly over the day (and not just in the evening, we see 25-30% more traffic between 12 and 2 in the afternoon for instance).

Maybe it's hard on you as a heavy user but you're getting a very good deal already in what you pay vs what you use so I've little sympathy really. It's a good policy for most users...
 
I've sign up with TalkTalk (Pro package as they are LLU at my exchange) but already starting to have concerns.

When I did a quick web search it said that thier kit was at max capacity in the exchange but rang them anyway, asked about avaliability and whether it was full but they confirmed I could go on the LLU Pro package and there was space.

Paperwork turned up yesterday and it's been processed for the non-LLU essentials package with a few addons to up the download limit. Rang them to ask and they said sorry just a mistake and will now be the Pro package but I'm doubtful. :(
 
Got a call the other day saying that my service is being terminated in 30 days. No idea who to go with next. I live out in the middle of no where. :(

Did you reveive any prior warnings? I'm with o2 and my usage has been high recently, but to be fair i always limit my speeds so i'm not maxing out my connection.

Do you do the same? I think that might be where a lot of users mess up, i never let torrents and downloads use all of my connection's speed. I think it would show up as a big red flag at o2 monitoring
 
From isp review today, finally :D

ISP Review said:
The UK Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has confirmed that it is launching a review into how internet services, specifically those offered by broadband ISP's and mobile operators, are marketed. The review itself will take a comprehensive look at the use and abuse of misleading broadband speed and "unlimited" claims.

In the past the ASA has itself been accused of being far too soft on misleading uses of "unlimited" terminology. ISP's frequently attach the claim to restrictive measures, which often only show up inside the small print of a Fair Usage Policy (FUP) and they can be very vague.

The ASA itself does not have the power to make policy and can in fact only rule on specific issues. As a result its review will be conducted alongside the British Code of Advertising Practice (BCAP) and Committee of Advertising Practice (CAP), which can set policy.

The ASA's Communications and Policy Manager, Lynsay Taffe, told NewMediaAge:

"We’ve looked at a number of complaints about individual ads in the telecoms sector regarding access speeds and usage limits and found that applying a single policy to how telecoms providers advertise can pose significant challenges.

It’s important that we look at this on a broader policy level with service providers, other regulators and consumer groups, rather than relying on individual ASA rulings that focus on a particular service on one platform. Therefore, the ASA has invited CAP and BCAP to review broadband speed and ‘unlimited’ use claims."

A good example of how NOT to use "unlimited" terminology recently surfaced when ISPreview.co.uk revealed that O2's Home Access broadband package for BT lines was using contradictive advertising. It appeared to promote "unlimited downloads" but still set confusing restrictions in the small print; some customers were even disconnected for downloading too much (here).

Ironically O2 most recently set a better example by abandoning "unlimited" claims on its mobile data ( Mobile Broadband ) tariffs for Smartphone devices, such as the iPhone (here). In any case there are many broadband ISP's claiming to offer "unlimited" services, although some clearly mislead customers.

There are of course some providers who do claim to offer truly unlimited services, such as certain Sky Broadband , Be Broadband and unbundled O2 broadband packages, though many still apply vague or confusing terms alongside unrealistic marketing. Others, like Virgin Media UK, also offer "unlimited" but could still apply speed restrictions if you download too much within a given period.
 
More like to get rid of the ones which are costing them money to provide service. It's long overdue in the current market and I'm surprised it's taken the bigger ISPs this long to get round to it. The fact is if you're using that much you're not paying enough to cover the costs and normal users are subsidising your connection, that ISPs have tolerated it consistently from some users up to this point is pretty amazingly.

This is a fair point, I just wish they had given us a warning, fair enough they tried to get in touch with my wife but they never rang back at the times I told them she would be in and my wife even phoned them up only to be told there was nothing flagging on the system for them to have phoned her. If we had been given a warning we could have cut down our usage.
It would have been nice of them to have been honest about it costing them too much money rather than being detrimental to other users as 95% of our downloading was done "off peak" between midnight and 8 am
I also doubt that we downloaded 600GB in 2 months on a line that is only synced at 1.5 mb and had constant drop outs but hey ho :o
 
I got the call a couple of nights ago telling me to cut my usage down. When asked about my usage they told me i'd used 34gb for the month, thats it! the lady i spoke to got very defensive when i kept questioning the unlimited usage and caps and kept saying there are no limits even though they clearly exist!

The other providers i've been with over the years have either said there is a limit of XX or there is a FUP of xx for the month so why can't O2 just come out with a real answer?

I think they are really taking the **** with how they are handling this situation. I'm clearly going to get the call next month telling me to find another ISP and personally i can't wait but I want to talk to someone who has more knowledge on the situation. I felt sorry for the girl on the phone as its not her fault but the total lack of communication from O2 explaining these invisible limits is annoying as hell!

Does anyone have any recommendations on a non-LLU provider? I've used a enta reseller in the past and they were good although a bit pricey, i've also noticed plus.net have a nice looking 60gb a month package available which is more than enough for me.
 
The other providers i've been with over the years have either said there is a limit of XX or there is a FUP of xx for the month so why can't O2 just come out with a real answer?

Because it's not that simple, if you're doing 35GB at exactly peak times then that's very different from 35GB at another time, there are multiple peaks through the day and they vary depending on day of the week and what's happening (weekend peaks can be linked to weather forecasts with some accuracy for instance). Communicating that in one number is impossible, communicating it in a document shorter than 4 pages is almost impossible, it's far fairer for the majority of users if heavy users can be defined as when they're affecting others.
 
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