Just got my first points i think!

The_Dark_Side said:
and, given that their accident rates are almost identical to ours with the exception of the fact that due to higher speeds their RTA's are always more extreme than ours with a higher fatality rate, that proves what exactly?

And their roads are built to a far higher standard too. Less curves and crests, better surfaces with more grip, far better crash barriers and more electronic gizmos per km to tell them about incidents to get the blood-wagons there faster. If anything, autobahns show that higher speeds are more dangerous.
 
Guigsy said:
And their roads are built to a far higher standard too. Less curves and crests, better surfaces with more grip, far better crash barriers and more electronic gizmos per km to tell them about incidents to get the blood-wagons there faster. If anything, autobahns show that higher speeds are more dangerous.
you're not kidding.
their system works well, although it's wider, better maintained and massively staffed compared to ours.
but when things go wrong it's just nasty.
 
emailiscrap said:
I got an SP30 nip through from christmas eve.
This goes with the existing SP30 I have on my licence and the impending SP30 that I am currently fighting.

I've had a clean licence for 9 years, and then this lot happened in the space of a few months.

I've just ordered a parking sensor device to reduce the likelihood of getting to the magical 12 points.

And yes, I know I have nobody to blame but myself. :(

Alternatively you could always just drive within the posted speed limit?........ Radical thought I know!
 
Dashik said:
Alternatively you could always just drive within the posted speed limit?........ Radical thought I know!

When I'm elected Supreme Ruler Of The Universe, anyone posting/writing/saying that particular phrase or variations on it's theme will be shot.

Out of a cannon.

Into the Sun.
 
JRS said:
When I'm elected Supreme Ruler Of The Universe, anyone posting/writing/saying that particular phrase or variations on it's theme will be shot.

Out of a cannon.

Into the Sun.
now you know how i feel when some einstein incarnate posts "think of the children" etc.

btw when you're supreme ruler and all you may like to think about a bodyguard....and i HAVE done a course ;)
 
The_Dark_Side said:
btw when you're supreme ruler and all you may like to think about a bodyguard....and i HAVE done a course ;)

Sounds good....though I should warn you, the company car policy will involve all my minions driving around in black '68 Dodge Chargers with Hemis.
 
Ouch i bet you cursed your self?, you past the two year probation yet?.

Yeah got tha finished with feb 2005, just wish I had bothered to past my test a lot sooner rather than at 23, could have had a few more years NCB under my belt lol
 
congrats and dont worry, 1 speeding endorsement doesnt affect insurance premiums... just don't get any more

;)
 
Dr Who said:
congrats and dont worry, 1 speeding endorsement doesnt affect insurance premiums.

Not always. An SP30 adds £100 to my premium. My TS50 added £200.
 
Tom|Nbk said:
Do you find advising people on there grammar over the internet make your e-penis any bigger?.

Its big enough already :D 5000 posts and growing bigger daily!

Tom|Nbk said:
Take a look at my previous posts I do use grammar, prehaps this time i didn't want to or simply couldnt be ****ed?, don't like it you know what to do ;).

With English skills like that, its a wonder you managed to read the number plate for the eyesight check on your driving test :p ;)

Since the invasion of SC-like debate is creeping into motors of late, perhaps we need a little more joviality to make things that bit more fun ;)
 
LOL Well its ok guys, just keep on speeding its fine, After all its your licenses/insurance/car wrecks and colostomy bags etc. Just make sure its not my car you drive into when you make the mistake one day please.

Just because you don't agree with the law does not make breaking it right.
Do you break other laws because there inconvenient or you dont agree with cartain aspects? Why not help yourself to the car you like? Why bother paying for it? What if somebody steals your car or property etc

Its a license to drive with terms and conditions attached that you agree to be bound by (Highway code, Road traffic act) when you sign it.

Are you as selective with your contract of employment? I bet not, what if your employer decided to honour all of the terms that suited them but ignored the ones they did not like? Say paying you and allowing time off? The principale is the same.

How about some 17 to 80 year old nutter kills your girlfriend/wife/partner/child and their speeding or driving innapropriatly at the time? How would you react to that? You'd say thats ok they can break the law because they though it was stupid? I think not.

As an ADI i can see both sides of the argument, I agree that the government 'Speed Kills' campaign is pants and seriously flawed, after all its not the speed that kills, its the muppets who think their capabilties exceed there abilitys that need educating in my opinion. After all if speed did kill then there'd be no drivers left on the autobans.

The problem is the the typical 'Urban Micheal Schumaker' wannabe gets himself into a situation that his limited 'lee7' skills can't get him out of. Then when he/she has an accident the speed becomes a factor and the higher the speed the more serious the outcome is likely to be.

Personally I would love to have some areas of the UK road network unrestricted either fulltime or during limited times of the day depending on the conditions, the trouble is that its fraught with problems not least that mechanical reliability and driver skills are not uniform and its just asking for trouble when you allow mixed traffic and wannabies on the same road.

I do think 80 is a more sensible limit for todays cars on the motorway with the driver aids and advances in vehicle technology but not all cars are equal. I cannot condone the speeding in 20's and 30's that regulary occurs as these areas are frequently residential and the terrible accidents that occur are just plain needless.

You could if you feel strongly enough campaign for a change in the Law.

Why not just cough up the cash, go to a track and learn to do it properly etc? And then do it legally or does the thought of actually having to pay for it and finding out your not actually as good a 'performance' driver as you think you are bother you all?

Oh and at least have the decency of not whinging about the points/fines and bans etc. Take it on the chin and smile nicely when you pay the fines :D

My 2p.
 
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Dashik said:
Alternatively you could always just drive within the posted speed limit?........ Radical thought I know!
Indeed. And having spent the last 9 years driving within the legal limits, I have suddenly decided to drive everywhere at full speed?
No, of course I haven't.

Having picked up 2 nips for speeding, I have been making a concerted effort to keep beneath the limit, but it would appear my efforts have not been good enough. Thus, I am investing in technology to assist me.

I suppose it's just a blessing that my gross carelessness didn't lead to the harming of any kittens.... Bad bad me...
 
JRS said:
Sounds good....though I should warn you, the company car policy will involve all my minions driving around in black '68 Dodge Chargers with Hemis.
i can't be done with the late 60's and 70's yank tanks, but i love your taste in the earlier stuff.
 
Dashik said:

Exceeding the number in the circle does NOT intrinsically elevate the danger levels of a particular stretch of road. That number is entirely irrelevant when it comes to deciding if a speed is dangerous or not.

"I wasnt speeding" holds just as little water as someone crashing at 50 in a 40 and the accident being blamed on speed when it comes to judgement of safety.
 
The thing which annoys me is the attitude of some drivers when you do keep to the speed limit, its just that so little people keep to it now a days its as if your holding a load of people up :( , saying that I do keep to the limit 95% of the time.
 
DRZ said:
Exceeding the number in the circle does NOT intrinsically elevate the danger levels of a particular stretch of road. That number is entirely irrelevant when it comes to deciding if a speed is dangerous or not.

Agreed but thats not what I said. I said speed is not always the primary cause of the accident. Lack of driver education and training are far bigger factors.

Just because the limit may appear arbitary and unreasonable to you does not make it optional. Its generally there for the benifit of all and not just to aggravate you. You may indeed be a superbly skilled driver but thats not the issue. Speed limits are not, despite what many think, optional. However unjustified they may appear.

DRZ said:
"I wasnt speeding" holds just as little water as someone crashing at 50 in a 40 and the accident being blamed on speed when it comes to judgement of safety..

Thats the point Who's Judgement?

Its a subjective issue depending on many variable factors. So speed limits tend to err on the side of caution for the good of all.

The main thing is its generally true that if you are driving slower/within the limit etc then you will have more time to look and plan ahead and reduce the risk to others and yourself should something unexpected occur. Small exceedingly cute kittens or cherubic child playing in the middle of the M90 at 3.47 in the morning etc........

So any opinion other than its ok to drive at a speed YOU consider ok is a rant? Its about time people were a little less selfish and more considerate of other drivers etc on the roads. I see far too many idiots who rate themselves as drivers everyday. Most of whom if they do not kill themsleves will likel scare/harm others sooner or later.

Whats wrong with driving within the law anyway? It takes more skill to drive well than to just press the right pedal like a mindless moron anyway does it not?

Obviously you did not bother to read the post.
 
Tom|Nbk said:
The thing which annoys me is the attitude of some drivers when you do keep to the speed limit, its just that so little people keep to it now a days its as if your holding a load of people up :( , saying that I do keep to the limit 95% of the time.

And thats there problem not yours, would you risk rushing out of a junction because they want to get to the shops 30 seconds earlier etc? Do you speed up when they get the hump behind you?

Do they offer to take your points/fine when you get caught just in time for them to use your car as a sheild? (That make sense?)
 
Dashik said:
And thats there problem not yours, would you risk rushing out of a junction because they want to get to the shops 30 seconds earlier etc? Do you speed up when they get the hump behind you?

Do they offer to take your points/fine when you get caught just in time for them to use your car as a sheild? (That make sense?)

Good point, its just something ive picked up when i do keep to the limit, i won't let anyone put me off my driving, whatever happens.
 
Dashik said:

Your post started very much like a rant...

Speed limits/speeding is a difficult area because of the vast array of skill exhibited by the general population. If you took the lowest available, that of a 90 year old myopic grandma, 10mph blanket speed limits would still see twisted metal and broken glass - you cant wrap everyone in cotton wool. At the same time, you cant hinder progress.

The speed limits were set to stop those with less than average driving skills getting into too much trouble - years ago. Since then, technology has moved on as has our attitude towards the roads - the current generation of new drivers are growing up in an age where there are more cars on our roads than at any time in history, and the average family hatchback is more capable than race cars of the decades past when the laws were set.

So, the average driver is more road-aware than ever before in cars more capable than ever before and yet more than ever before we are being confined by factors that are MASSIVELY irrelevant to actual safety. Dolph is the stats-master on this one, but IIRC something like 6% of all RTAs are down to speeding as the significant contributing factor. The overwhelming factor was down to poor judgement/driver error.

I think you know as well as I do that driving within the speed limit does not make you a safe driver every bit as much as driving at illegal speeds does not make you reckless. The idea that exceeding an outdated artificial limit is the sole arbiter of safety or "driving well" is laughable.
 
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