Just won.....£430 from a casino

Think you are in a bad place. Slots, as said above, is impossible to turn over the requirement and have any money left (unless you are super lucky). House edge on slots is usually 10% or more.
I've skim read the T&C and couldn't see anything there about you not being able to withdraw your original deposit... can you see it in writing anywhere? If not, get the hell out of there...
 
Mmm, nasty. The terms regarding having to play slots are a little hidden. It uses a casino software called Total-E-Soft, which seems to be fairly obscure. Worse, there have been accusations that it's rigged. I wouldn't count on getting your money back here :(

Unless you want to plead with them to cancel the bonus, you're gonna have to wing it. Find a slot which doesn't have a big 'jackpot', to reduce the variance. Even then, you can count on the house edge of a slot being 5% or more. That's generally going to wipe out your bonus and your deposit before you finish the wagering.

Therefore, if you can face it, your best shot is possibly to make large (>$10) bets and hope you strike lucky. If you do hit a big win, grind out the rest at minimum wagering. If you don't, then at least you won't waste too much time on it. The chance of a positive outcome here is small. :(
 
Goksly said:
Think you are in a bad place. Slots, as said above, is impossible to turn over the requirement and have any money left (unless you are super lucky). House edge on slots is usually 10% or more.
I've skim read the T&C and couldn't see anything there about you not being able to withdraw your original deposit... can you see it in writing anywhere? If not, get the hell out of there...
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Thanks. I think this covers it though.

In the interest of fair gaming in order to cash out any amount of money you must wager the required amount listed on the bonus terms page, unless specifically stipulated in writing by an approved representative of World-Wide-Win Casino. If you opt in for the bonus, you can not withdraw any amount from your account until you have met the wagering requirements.
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Thanks Mattus. Bit of a long shot but I am going to see if they will cancel my bonus and let me withdraw as technically I have found that I am not eligible for the bonus.

The Player acknowledges that in order to be eligible for any promotion or bonus they must be playing with the primary currency used in the country where they have a registered address and are playing from. This means that if you live in the UK, you must play in Pounds. If you live in any country where the native currency is Euro, this is the currency you must play in and if you live in any country with another primary currency, you must play in USD. The casino reserves the right to withhold bonuses and any winnings resulting from deposits in any currency made in contradiction to this condition.
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I used dollars and live in the UK.
 
I signed up to williamhill casino, and they give you a bonus automatically as soon as you start, and you can't withdraw anything until you do the wager.

I thought this was ridiculous as after a couple of games of roulette, the software is so **** i didn't wanna play anymore and just withdraw my original deposit, but it wouldnt let me :eek:

So i called them up and after a bit of arguing they decided to take back the bonus and give me back my original deposit so I could withdraw. So you definately can get out of it, even if it states you can't withdraw in the T&C's
 
Goksly said:
Think you are in a bad place. Slots, as said above, is impossible to turn over the requirement and have any money left (unless you are super lucky). House edge on slots is usually 10% or more.
I've skim read the T&C and couldn't see anything there about you not being able to withdraw your original deposit... can you see it in writing anywhere? If not, get the hell out of there...
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You are thinking of land based casinos. Online slots generally have a lower house edge, which varies by software. The house edge of WW slots varies from 1.94% to 8%, with most near 5%. The house edge of Rival slots varies from 2% to 6%, with most at ~4%. The house edge of Net Ent slots varies from 2.5% to 8%, with most games 3-5%. The house edge of MG slots varies from ~3.5% to ~7% with most at 4-5%. In short, most online slots have a house edge near 5% (without including double bets). And if you hunt around, you may find a game in the under 3% range. If you are completing wagering on slots, another key factor is variance. Much of the payout may be in the high jackpots, so if you aren't hitting the big wins, they tend to eat up your bankroll quickly... making it difficult to complete a wagering requirement.

In regards to the original poster's situation with World Wide Win, I haven't heard of them and can't say much about them. I do recognize that the T&C reads word-for-word like Topgame software T&Cs. For example, Rome has the same 2% BJ clause. There is likely some kind of connection between WWW and Topgame. Both Topgame and Total E Soft are small/obscure softwares that have a similar history with buggy software. As mentioned above, the latter may have been intentionally rigged, rather than just buggy. I'd try to get out of the wagering and forfeit the bonus if at all possible. If you must complete a 40xB wagering on slots with unknown software, then I'd go for a big win or bust early on.
 
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Won £950 over 2 days in a casino with an old flame? (gotta love "wrong side of the tracks" chinese girls for various reasons).

To make that clear, was 2 seperate visits over 2 days, day 1 was a slot machine we kept and eye on and jumped it when it was ripe for picking, day 2 was the same slot machine and a decent sized blackjack win.
 
I've been thinking about my predicament as I haven't heard back from the casino yet. I don't fancy slots so am thinking about wagering $1m on BJ with $50 bets to meet the WR. Will take a while but I reckon it's a better option.

Lakitu was that a sign-up bonus at BetUS? It only seems to be a 50% one at the moment.
 
Wow, so the casino bonus blagging thing still works? I thought they changed all the rules?

In the good ol' day (2004 ish) when I did it, it worked like this:
Deposit £25, get £25 free, bet using their £25, if you lose it, withdraw your £25 no worries.

I thought now when you do it, they generally force you to bet your £25 first?
 
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hi i have problems to withdraw money...can you help me please!?

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Jambo said:
I've been thinking about my predicament as I haven't heard back from the casino yet. I don't fancy slots so am thinking about wagering $1m on BJ with $50 bets to meet the WR. Will take a while but I reckon it's a better option.

Lakitu was that a sign-up bonus at BetUS? It only seems to be a 50% one at the moment.
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Following on from my problem with this casino I was going to attempt to wager $1m like I said. I didn't have much time so left it for a bit. Went back to have a go tonight and my account balance is ZERO!!! It was $2645 when I last played.

Have sent an email and hope there has been some system error or something and it can be rectified! :eek:

Edit: Just got an undeliverable from their support email. Their website still appears to be live. Trying the software provider.
 
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Jambo said:
Following on from my problem with this casino I was going to attempt to wager $1m like I said. I didn't have much time so left it for a bit. Went back to have a go tonight and my account balance is ZERO!!! It was $2645 when I last played.

Have sent an email and hope there has been some system error or something and it can be rectified! :eek:

Edit: Just got an undeliverable from their support email. Their website still appears to be live. Trying the software provider.
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Hi Jambo, the bonus on there casino site is 100% and I'm pretty sure it has been for a long while. What bonus were you doing to wager 1m$? Do they have live support? maybe you could ring them? Good luck mate.
 
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Hi Jambo, the bonus on there casino site is 100% and I'm pretty sure it has been for a long while. What bonus were you doing to wager 1m$? Do they have live support? maybe you could ring them? Good luck mate.
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$500 match bonus but I only discovered after that BJ only has a 2% contribution to the WR.

I think it is run by the software provider and they dissolved their company only to open in June again. Looks dodgy.

On the positive side it might give me a chance to do a chargeback but proof could be an issue.
 
Jambo said:
$500 match bonus but I only discovered after that BJ only has a 2% contribution to the WR.

I think it is run by the software provider and they dissolved their company only to open in June again. Looks dodgy.

On the positive side it might give me a chance to do a chargeback but proof could be an issue.
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With BJ accounting for a pathetic 2% you would do extremely well to not lose your deposit with this casino/software. Like you say it may be a blessing in disguise if you work the chargeback angle.
 
My saga with world-wide-win.com continues and I am currently presenting my case to my credit card company.

Basically with $2645 in my account they emptied it and now have completely deleted it from their system. I have no documentary evidence of their foul play. However, they will have no evidence to say that I lost the money through the normal course of gaming so I am hoping my credit card company will request this. (much in the same way that my company have to provide evidence of delivery to the cardholder for a chargeback on mail order goods)

However, in thinking ahead if my credit card company are not satisfied with the evidence and refuse the chargeback does anyone know if there is somewhere else I can go with this? In my opinion it is a blatant case of fraud. Are online casinos regulated by some authority or could it be a case for the Police? It is only £333 (my intial deposit) so I know the Police won't be particularly interested but then I expect it is part of a larger fraud incident.

Any thoughts?
 
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