Justify a custom loop

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I have followed the corsair H50 threads closely, and for £60 i like the look of it.

Now i can build the same, IE Swiftech Apogee GTZ (LGA775) Waterblock.

Swiftech Laing D5 Vario MCP655 12V DC Pump.

Black Ice GT Xtreme 240 Radiator.

£190 total price.

After these purchases i still need to buy tubing, coolant, and other fittings.

So for all of those people who continually recommend a custom loop, please
justify your claims, and convince me why £200 plus to cool a cpu is better than £60.

It would have to be a lot better than 5c.
 
jak731 said:
It costs moremoney?:D

Seriously though it seems quite ludicrous to me to disregard temperatures when talking about cooling, how else can you judge it? Also that custom loop has the possibility of expansion, just add in a graphics block for instance.

I agree that you are getting diminishing returns for your money, but that is true of most things in life past a certain point.
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You misunderstand..........i am not disreguarding temps, i am just being cautious where really small temps are gained.

So no one is going to disagree with my price comparison then.
 
JonJ678 said:
You've specified a 240 radiator instead of a 120, superior waterblock and far superior pump. Of course it costs more. Corsair have done this as cheaply as possible because they're after the air coolers.

If you don't want water, don't use it. It's quieter and cooler than the H50, how much cooler and quieter depends on how you set it up. I think this thread is a wind up.

Also, your sig should at least use WWIII or WW3 instead of WW111.
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Ho yea of little faith.

How sad that you are such a cynic, even tho i have noticed this before with your posts.

I have posted the better parts because i have researched water cooling my 775 when the GTZ came on the market, so i know it is the best etc.
It is a good job i didn't include the xchanger rad then.
 
Ferrantek said:
How about a ten degree drop? I went from a 42c to 32c. The big difference is the 42c was at stock clock speed, The 32c is at 4.4Ghz overclock, both idling. Running Prime95 now I get a top temp of 59c.....with a room temp of 22c

I also have to say £190 is a bit steep for what you list, more like £170. and if you want cheaper, then don't go for the Gucci stuff. There's a lot cheaper kit which does the job just as well. But if you want the name, you pay for it but you could knock a lot off that price.

Finally, I can sit and listen to film, music, games whatever......even silence if I wish becuase I don't have fans going nineteen to the dozen. Even on prime95, and an overclock, the fans don't go over 25%

My first post, so hello to all. I also think this thread is a windup!!
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Hi, nice to introduce you on my thread, another cynic.

Why a wind up?

All i am asking is, is a custom cpu loop worth all that extra cash.
I said £190....... ok you said £170..........£60 for a H50 seems like a great deal to me, but i must admit i have read conflicting reports on the web, performance wise.

Maybe you and jon think it is a windup because i ask noob questions.

I have not water cooled yet.
 
JonJ678 said:
Now who's cynical.

The corsair costs £60 ish. It performs as well as an air cooler, and costs the same. So the arguments for and against air coolers apply to it.

Water costs anything from £100 to silly numbers. It performs far better than air cooling. It always has done.

How then is this thread any different to the normal air vs water, which invariably ends with 'of course it costs more, it's far better'?

It evaporates to the atmosphere, same as where everything else evaporates to?
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But it has a 2 year guarentee.

I could make a closed loop with the high end parts that i have suggested, but i dont see how to stop evaporation.
 
JonJ678 said:
Closed loop in the context of watercooling almost always means no T line, no reservoir. It's filled by breaking the tubing somewhere, dipping both ends in a tank of water and running the pump until the bubbles are gone. You then close the join while still submerged. It performs well but not much over a T line and is stressful to set up.

If you were to be pedantic, this is not a thermodynamically closed system because it exchanges heat and electricity with the surroundings, and loses water through the permeable tubing. So your definition of closed meaning has a tap, but basically full contradicts either of the standard definitions.

Care to reply to any of the points raised above, or are you retreating?
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Of course i will not retreat.

I agree with you entirely.
But...........you can make a better performing closed loop than the H50 yourself.



All you need to do is seal the submerged break.

Ah, i think you have already said this when i read back.

Now the tubing has got me wondering, how can they stop the evaporation long enough to guarentee the h50 for 2 years.

PS, you can remove the tap when sealed.


Have you ever plumbed in a washing machine, whereby you circumvent the water flow
 
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JonJ678 said:
Happy to hear it :D

Sure. There's a (swiftec?)block available which includes cpu block and a ddc, this combined with a 120 radiator would be rather similar to the ddc. Won't cost £190 though. More effort to fill though you could easily plumb a T partway along. Alternatively you could connect a ddc directly to the radiator with a threaded male to male, which would be less pretty. It's something I'm thinking of doing with my loop to save space and counter vibration but haven't got around to yet.

Regarding sealed systems, you might be interested in this thread. Very similar idea.

I'm pretty certain they don't stop evaporation. No way they could. There's just enough of a reservoir involved that it'll make the distance before it starts dragging air around the loop.

Cheers
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Sent email.

See no windup here.
 
I never needed anyone to justify watercooling, i have always wanted it.

I just wanted to justify the massive price diffrence from custom to H50,{never happened so far}.

See my username.

I want the best performance money can buy within reason.

But i don't want to waste money.

£150-£200 to cool my cpu, with a swiftech GTZ.

It's the nuts and bolts parts that people who have never done it before need help with.
 
I would now like to make it clear,,,,,,i am not asking which is better..........

I know a custom loop is better, my question is.................can you justify the expense of a custom cpu loop, over a Corsair H50 which only costs £60.

@Bubo, nice block of text there.
No way will i read that without help.

Please add some spaces between lines.
 
Arachnae said:
Right now all I've seen for 2 pages is you arguing the merits of an h50 because it's cheaper.. so if you have a cheap setup get the h50.. if you have aspirations go make a custom build.. it's that simple.
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If you believe this then you need to learn how to lie, because i know from this that you have not read the whole thread.
 
Arachnae said:
I read the entire thread, i was reading between the lines.. you have asked people to justify a the cost of a custom loop, they gave you an answer and you gave a reactionary defensive response, to me this says that you want an h50, or you want some comfort in the way of someone talking you into a custom loop project..

As I said, if you are worried about money then get an h50, if you want performance then the custom loop is clearly justified, now stop trolling.
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******** social workers.

PS come to my house and acuse me of trolling to my face.
 
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