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Kaby Lake review at Bit-tech!

Wow, what a review, apparently the chip does enough to consign Skylake to the history books... with the 200Mhz extra overclock providing minimal performance difference, identical gaming performance, identical IGP performance(which takes up half the die which is what you're paying for) and you know, is just Skylake respun with slightly higher clock speeds and nothing else.

Was that a paid review? Not been on bit-tech in a while, feel like I've not missed anything by not visiting.
 
Basically if you have any K edition i7 since Sandy, there isn't really a good reason to upgrade is there?

Barely any reason to upgrade from a non-k.
 
There's a lot of reviews of Kaby Lake on YouTube now.
I've been kind of tempted from my 1150 position, but I will wait until Cannonlake by which time AMD will have shown their new offering as well.
I think the most interesting thing about Kaby Lake is in the developments featured in the new, and pretty, motherboards.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
Wow, what a review, apparently the chip does enough to consign Skylake to the history books... with the 200Mhz extra overclock providing minimal performance difference, identical gaming performance, identical IGP performance(which takes up half the die which is what you're paying for) and you know, is just Skylake respun with slightly higher clock speeds and nothing else.
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''if you're building a new system''

I think you must be actually drunk.
 
Safetytrousers said:
''if you're building a new system''

I think you must be actually drunk.
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I think you might be, which part references it to upgrading or buying new in what I said?

The comments I spoke about had NOTHING to do with building a new system or not.


Ultimately, both CPUs do enough to mean Skylake is consigned to the history books
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It IS a Skylake yet they are doing everything in their power to make it sound like a step forward from Skylake.
 
drunkenmaster said:
I think you might be, which part references it to upgrading or buying new in what I said?

The comments I spoke about had NOTHING to do with building a new system or not.

It IS a Skylake yet they are doing everything in their power to make it sound like a step forward from Skylake.
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You were asking if it was paid review because you were questioning the validity of the reviews conclusion.
The fact is if you are building a new system from scratch it does make sense to buy Kaby Lake. There is a consensus among reviews on this. The prices compared to Skylake seem set to be about the same.
You sarcastically said ''Wow, what a review, apparently the chip does enough to consign Skylake to the history books'' and I added the important caveat to that quote ''if you're building a new system''.
The review further goes on to say ''if you already own a K-series Skylake CPU, neither of their successors is worth the upgrade with a couple of small exceptions''.
 
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The fact is if you are building a new system from scratch it does make sense to buy Kaby Lake. There is a consensus among reviews on this.
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Reviews are very narrow minded when it comes to such advice though, and the more sensible route is to try and pick up a good quality second hand one for nearly half the price. Or any retailer deals that offer significant saving over a new Kaby. Providing whatever you get has an intact warranty, THAT makes more sense, then put the money saved in to a better GPU. Of course, if you'd rather reward Intel for this rather pathetic effort, go right ahead.
 
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Reviews are very narrow minded when it comes to such advice though, and the more sensible route is to try and pick up a good quality second hand one for nearly half the price. Or any retailer deals that offer significant saving over a new Kaby. Providing whatever you get has an intact warranty, THAT makes more sense, then put the money saved in to a better GPU. Of course, if you'd rather reward Intel for this rather pathetic effort, go right ahead.
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I take it that reviews mean a new system with new parts. If you were buying from a system building site, as many people do, that is what you would be doing. Many people don't want to buy second hand if they are building their own system.
Of course if you can find Skylake for much cheaper than KabyLake than Skylake would be more sensible.
But if a Kabylake system was within about £50 of a Skylake one, I would definitely get KabyLake if I was moving from pre-1151. Which I am not for KabyLake.
 
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Safetytrousers said:
You were asking if it was paid review because you were questioning the validity of the reviews conclusion.
The fact is if you are building a new system from scratch it does make sense to buy Kaby Lake. There is a consensus among reviews on this. The prices compared to Skylake seem set to be about the same.
You sarcastically said ''Wow, what a review, apparently the chip does enough to consign Skylake to the history books'' and I added the important caveat to that quote ''if you're building a new system''.
The review further goes on to say ''if you already own a K-series Skylake CPU, neither of their successors is worth the upgrade with a couple of small exceptions''.
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Except that opinion doesn't invalidate the statement of theirs that I quoted, which is that it does enough to consign Skylake to the history books.

Again, it IS Skylake, they bigged up how much it overclocked, when it overclocked 200Mhz higher than their other/older Skylake chip.

That they said it's not worth upgrading doesn't change the fact that they stated it did enough to consign it to the history books. That has PR line written all over it and tries to make it sound like a new architecture that is worthwhile over Skylake.
 
drunkenmaster said:
That they said it's not worth upgrading doesn't change the fact that they stated it did enough to consign it to the history books. That has PR line written all over it and tries to make it sound like a new architecture that is worthwhile over Skylake.
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It really is an absurd statement when you think about it, and as you say wreaks of PR. You could say this about any product which betters the previous. The 980Ti consigned the 980 to the history books... the 1080 did so to the 980Ti... and the 1080Ti will do the same to the 1080. Only it won't. We know this. The 6700k will be kicking around for some time yet, and as and when it drops in price, it should be snapped up, because the real world performance gain with Kaby is minuscule! Just as happened with Sandy Bridge and every subsequent generation, which people are still running without complaint to this day. It will eventually go EOL of course, as does everything, but to say it's consigned to the history books the WEEK a new CPU is released is just laughable. I'm sure one could make a semantics argument that it's a technically accurate statement, but it's just PR nonsense anyone with half a brain sees right through. Of course, it won't stop floods of people insisting they need it, and dismissing the 6700k like it was yesterdays used toilet paper. [sigh]
 
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C6ckneyGeezer said:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2017/01/03/intel-core-i7-7700k-i5-7600k-review/1

Interesting read! See how the prices stake up, seems it will be the go to choice for a future proof system!

Would love to upgrade when I can finance it. my 3570k is showing it's age now days....
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Interesting viewpoint considering the review posted by Pants (here) shows every single benchmark being +/-1% of Skylake's results at the same clock speed, except gaming where Kaby Lake is slightly worse than Skylake, even with a 500 MHz clock speed advantage.
 
Benchmarks aside, Intel is saying that the new Kaby Lake CPUs should be available to buy late January/early February.

Does anyone know if we can expect the first Kaby Lake PCs to appear on the OcUK site around that time - or does it usually take longer than that?

The thing is, money's burning in my pocket and I'm wondering whether to wait or not. I'd probably just about survive a 4 week wait, but if it's going to take a couple of months until they hit the shelves I'd struggle... delayed gratification isn't my strong suit. :p
 
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