Keeping up with the Markles

GreatAuk said:
Just to throw some fire on the babies' skin colour question, I have a friend whose sister married a black person, and I remember this friend saying to our group of friends how cute she thought any children they had would be, and wondered about what their skin tone would be like, because it can vary so much depending on how the genes decide to arrange themselves etc.

I have another (white British) friend who married an Italian, and similar conversations were had about what their children (first one born now, very cute they are too) would look like and whether their skin would be darker or lighter.

Neither of those conversations seemed racist to me at the time, and they don't seem racist in hindsight either (although I'm sure some would disagree).
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It's like having a conversation questioning what colour the childs eyes or hair will be. Wondering what the childs skin complexion will be is no different. Unfortunately some people and groups see racism behind every innocent comment and are quick to try and weaponise it for their own ends. She isn't willing to name the person who made the comment and doesn't have any context or proof surrounding the comment so it's impossible to say. As others have said I also believe she's being deliberately coy to try and bait people over the issue.

It's clear Meghan wants away from the royal family and is happy to say and do whatever it'll take to make that happen.
 
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omnomnom said:
Having concerns about the babys colour is racist
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Context is everything. What she attributed to concern and then made the leap to Archie being denied the title of Prince could easily have been a passing curiosity. My wife is similarly mixed race and I too would be curious - if I heard a friend or colleague talking about it I wouldn’t immediately jump to ‘concern’, but then I don’t have a victim mentality. Oprah brought up race a lot, even when not mentioned in any of the answers along with a lot of heavily loaded questions.
 
hurfdurf said:
You are ascribing their behaviour as negative, when I think it’s clear they are the victims of the control and abuse from their extended family and the Royal firm. You are misplacing the negativity that they are outlining and claiming they don’t know what they are talking about, and that they should be forced to help reconcile with their toxic family and situation they are trying to create a healthy space from.

They are clearly outlining abuse, but you are then claiming they have some how manipulated themselves and are actually abusing each other and the abusers they have named are innocent?
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Again, a swing and a miss on the projection.

That the relationship between Meghan and Harry appears unhealthy to people with experience of such things, does not in any way imply other relationships were or are healthy.

Both the Duke and duchess clearly also don't have healthy relationships with the rest of their families and their situation.

It's not a dichotomy that involves choosing one unhealthy set of relationships over another. Nor is it a dichotomy where one side or the other is behaving badly, and the other behaves well.

Pretending that it is simple is to do a disservice to all involved. Acting as an enabler for either side to continue unhealthy and destructive behaviours also does a disservice to all involved.
 
thenewoc said:
It was on ITV.
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I am talking about the news coverage, wall to wall Harry and Megan. I have had to turn off the Today program on Radio 4, peak broadcast at 8.10 because oF this non news syndicated rubbish outburst. Most of the news output in the last two days is similar. Absolute carp filler is there no other news?
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Context is everything. What she attributed to concern and then made the leap to Archie being denied the title of Prince could easily have been a passing curiosity. My wife is similarly mixed race and I too would be curious - if I heard a friend or colleague talking about it I wouldn’t immediately jump to ‘concern’, but then I don’t have a victim mentality. Oprah brought up race a lot, even when not mentioned in any of the answers along with a lot of heavily loaded questions.
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You'd be curious...would you be concerned?

Im also in the same boat, not once did i have concerns over my childs skin colour.
 
I keep asking myself how is Piers Morgan even in his current position? Making up stories about UK soldiers should be career ending, but he seems to have done well from it (and wouldn't apologise at the time).
 
Dis86 said:
They said that. It's an unverified claim. Hence me saying we've only got one side of the story. It's easy to misinterpret someone's curiosity.
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This whole thread is full on un verified claims yet now its an issue? She's been labelled about as an absolute monster based of stories from rags in this very thread but now its "unverified claims".
 
From BBC Online:
"In those months when I was pregnant [there were] concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he was born," said Meghan.

She said the conversations were with Harry, who relayed them to her. Both she and Harry refused to say which royal said it.

"That conversation, I am never going to share," said Harry. "At the time it was awkward, I was a bit shocked."
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So, kinda "conversations" really, perhaps even "curiosity" unless you are trying to make a point.

I must remember to never ask who a baby looks like in future ;)

ps - they invariably look pugugly :eek:
 
doodah said:
I keep asking myself how is Piers Morgan even in his current position? Making up stories about UK soldiers should be career ending, but he seems to have done well from it (and wouldn't apologise at the time).
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It's quite shocking that no matter how bad the British press become, a vast number of people still believe everything they print. Surely we're not a country full of ignorant idiots?
 
Dis86 said:
What if one of the parents is ginger?
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I just don't think I've ever shown an interest on asking about features such as hair colour or complexion of a child. I'll joke that I hope they don't get their dads looks or that I'd be crossing my fingers that they looked like the mother but that's more me joking with the parents-to-be and less about me being concerned how the baby appears.

no_1_dave said:
Doesn't matter if the question is irrelevant or not, it's still just a simple question. Perhaps the person asking genuinely wondered how dark the baby would be? Not for any reason, but because humans often wonder things that have no relevance or impact. I have friends who are a mixed race couple and plan to have kids. Even I wonder if the kids will be black or white, or in between. That doesn't make me racist, they're my mates. I just wonder because it's a normal thing to do and when I ask them they'll probably be wondering and guessing the same thing. Hell, we will probably place bets amongst our friendship group... Them included :)

If however it was asked in a derogatory way, on the side so hopefully Megan wouldn't know. That's a different matter altogether and could very easily be classed as racist.
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Which is exactly why I originally said context matters and I never once said it was racist. I just said it's a weird question to ask. Lets say their response with either "as dark as dark can be" or "As pale as chalk" what is the follow up going to be other than a "hmm" and then you just open up a whole other can of worms.
 
Tried to watch it objectively, got to the part where she effectively said she didn’t look into the Royal family prior to marrying into it and switched off.


Meh.
 
According to the Guardian (LINK):
Lawyer accuses palace of using Meghan to take focus off Prince Andrew

US attorney suggests bullying inquiry is ‘calculated decision’ with prince mired in Epstein controversy.
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So perhaps Meghan and Harry are covering up for his Uncle? :rolleyes:
 
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