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Kepler schedule revealed

I know people keep going about how they will only sell in small numbers if sold for X amount, but these cards are only sold in small numbers. Its the low/medium end of the market where they will start shifting real numbers.
 
ICDP said:
GK110 is rumoured to be a dual GK104 part, so unless you want SLI and the headaches dual GPU brings then it aint the part we are waiting for.

http://www.geeks3d.com/20111126/nvidia-kepler-gpus-roadmap-gk107-gk106-gk104-gk110-and-gk112/
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While what's been said about GK110 being "two GK104s" may be true, what you've said is highly likely to be incorrect in terms of "SLI".

GK110 will be more akin to the original Intel Core Quads, which were actually two independent dual core processors on the same silicon. nVidia won't be making a high end card with two separately packaged GK104s with on-card SLI.

Hey, maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it :)
 
Havana_UK said:
While what's been said about GK110 being "two GK104s" may be true, what you've said is highly likely to be incorrect in terms of "SLI".

GK110 will be more akin to the original Intel Core Quads, which were actually two independent dual core processors on the same silicon. nVidia won't be making a high end card with two separately packaged GK104s with on-card SLI.

Hey, maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it :)
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2x memory controllers (384x2) would surely indicate otherwise, similar to the the GTX 590.
 
Havana_UK said:
While what's been said about GK110 being "two GK104s" may be true, what you've said is highly likely to be incorrect in terms of "SLI".

GK110 will be more akin to the original Intel Core Quads, which were actually two independent dual core processors on the same silicon. nVidia won't be making a high end card with two separately packaged GK104s with on-card SLI.

Hey, maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it :)
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They already have enough trouble getting what they have onto one die - just isn't physically possible to get effectively 2x GPU cores into the same die without a lot of issues with heat and power.

With 2 discrete cores even on the same PCB theres no feasible alternative currently other than using conventional SLI/crossfire techniques.
 
ICDP said:
GK110 is rumoured to be a dual GK104 part, so unless you want SLI and the headaches dual GPU brings then it aint the part we are waiting for.

http://www.geeks3d.com/20111126/nvidia-kepler-gpus-roadmap-gk107-gk106-gk104-gk110-and-gk112/
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So what IS the part we are waiting on? Its not listed at all under current info!!!!! I dont want SLI or 2 cards slapped on one PCB but going by those links it says thats just what the GK 104 is.

GK 112 is also meant to be the sucessor to the GTX 590 so i presume its also 2 GPU's on one pcb which again i dont want.Death to microstutter!

If this happens it is a nightmare for me as i dont feel comfy with anything but a single GPU.Hell its bad enough getting games smooth without SLI nevermind Nvidias big flagship actually being some sneaky new way of putting two GPU's on one card without most of us knowing? God knows what kind of issues we could end up with here.Smoothness might just take a backseat to frames per second for nvidia.

If this is true i will ball my eyes out and go ATI.
 
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Rofflay said:
So what IS the part we are waiting on? Its not listed at all under current info!!!!! I dont want SLI or 2 cards slapped on one PCB but going by those links it says thats just what the GK 104 is.

GK 112 is also meant to be the sucessor to the GTX 590 so i presume its also 2 GPU's on one pcb which again i dont want.Death to microstutter!

If this happens it a nightmare for me as i dont feel comfy with anything but a single GPU.Hell its bad enough getting games smooth without SLI nevermind Nvidias big flagship actually being some sneaky new way of putting two GPU's on one card without most of us knowing?

I duno itsconfusing and i have a headache so over to someone who has a clue on thier line up :)
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GK110, the "high end" part is rumoured to be 2 GK104 cores. How it will be implemented is unknown. This should replace GTX 580.

GK112 which will the the successor to the GTX 590 is rumoured to be a single super-large core.
 
That sounds backwards though!!

Replace your top dual GPU card with one that is actually as you say a single GPU super large core?

Then replace your single GPU card with one that is actually 2x GK104 GPU's?

Thats BS.We have seen these cards before and they have microstutter! anything but one GPU is going to microstutter unless nvidia have some ingenius new way of making it SYNC or work better which i highly doubt.

Could it just be a typing error on the graph or has NV said anything about this? Maybe they will once negative PR comes around from people like me if what i said above turns out to be truth.Or perhaps now when i think about it there is no 590 sucessor and the GK 112 would be more of a replacement for the 580 and the 110 being just another filler in below like the GTX 570? Maybe the real 590 is going to be 2x GK 112 GPU's on one PCB.
 
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Havana_UK said:
GK110, the "high end" part is rumoured to be 2 GK104 cores. How it will be implemented is unknown. This should replace GTX 580.

GK112 which will the the successor to the GTX 590 is rumoured to be a single super-large core.
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You'd be talking well over 700mm2 die there - probably closer to 800... just not gonna happen.
 
...but if rumours prove to be accurate then that's the way it is.

I personally don't believe that nVidia will implement the dual GK104 "GK110" as an on-card SLI (ala GTX590), but only time will tell.
 
Rofflay said:
That sounds backwards though!!

Replace your top dual GPU card with one that is actually as you say a super large core?

Then replace your single GPU card with one that is actually 2x GK104 GPU's?

Thats BS.We have seen these cards before and they have microstutter! anything but one GPU is going to microstutter unless nvidia have some ingenius new way of making it SYNC or work better which i highly doubt.

Could it just be a typing error on the graph or has NV said anything about this? Maybe they will once negative PR comes around from people like me if what i said above turns out to be truth.
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Even single cores can exhibit the symptoms of microstutter - the whole microstutter thing is blown well out of proportion and most (tho not all) multi GPU solutions simply do not exhibit noticeable microstutter except under fairly rare circumstances.
 
Havana_UK said:
We may find it's a single large package with two die contained within.

I dunno, purely speculation :)
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Which comes back to SLI (unless they completely redesign it) the interconnects simply have too much latency talking between 2 discrete dies to use any other technique than conventional AFR/SFR.

EDIT: Not say it absolutely won't be something different, but theres a lot of barriers in the way of doing it without SLI.
 
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Havana_UK said:
...but if rumours prove to be accurate then that's the way it is.

I personally don't believe that nVidia will implement the dual GK104 "GK110" as an on-card SLI (ala GTX590), but only time will tell.
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This isn't the rumour, and its complete rollocks, as ir your idea of two dies stuck together like a quad core CPU.

Neither are current rumours just something you've either completely misunderstood or are just talking crap.

The "rumour" if real is that GK110 is a dual gpu gk104, it is the successor to NOTHING because there wasn't an equivilent card before, it WOULD be a successor to a dual gpu 560ti(actually there is one but not an official Nvidia one, just a daft EVGA one iirc).

The GK112 as rumoured is the successor to the 580gtx, the biggest single core gpu, it has nothing to do with a 590gtx except for performance.

Is the 7970 the successor to the 6990, no the 7990 will be.

We'll see, of the several "sources" of info for a March launch, well, there isn't any, one guy on a forum saying they might launch on Feb, with no source.

Estimated to be able to come out in February, the original plan in March, it appears Huang do not want HD7900 28nm accounted for the scenery;
performance and HD7970 similar listing can not say how much difference, depends on driver, but we basically as two products for the same level.
The current core clock 780MHz, memory 2GB.
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http://www.chiphell.com/thread-346223-1-1.html

That is the post these rumours are based on today, look at all the stories, that through to the entire range will launch at the same time in March or April, off that.......... lol.

When was the last time AMD or Nvidia released the ENTIRE line up in the same month, exactly, when was the last time Nvidia or AMD launched a dual gpu card first.........

Is there a huge reason the GK100 can't come out at the same time as the GK104, not really.

Even worse is, comparing the performance to a 7970 means almost nothing right now.

If AMD release a 7975 tomorrow, with default clocks of 1150Mhz, will it be a tweak, a respin or a new core, no, it will be a 7970 with a higher default clock. The 7970 is underclocked to not break a predefined TDP(and one of the biggest mistakes AMD has made in years), it is a 300-350W beast that IS 70-100% faster than the 6970 depending on the game and very very good.

Nvidia's best hope is to come very very close to 7970 performance(real performance) with a similarly sized core, the chance of Nvidia going from largely uncompetitive in performance/mm2 to AMD for 4 years to beating them, in one generation seems optimistic at best, foolish at worst.


Expect an ARCHITECTURE Launch in March/April, gk107, and GK 104 hopefully not too long after, but could be delayed anywhere from there to June really.
 
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