Keto?

[Skillmister]

Guess what low carbs you feel full and don't sit there all day feeling starved, yet you're getting the same calories.

Sure if you get all your carbs from simple carb sources you might feel starved all day. Can't say I've ever felt hungry soon after having a large amount of sweet potato mash.

People realise the calorie count.

Most don't. Most sing the praises of low carb and then later on admit that they didn't actually count calories beforehand and are eating less on keto. But oh no it's not the calorie control that makes the difference, never is Even though there are numerous examples of people doing things such as calorie controlled high simple carb diets and losing fat just as steadily as on a balanced calorie controlled diet. But people like you somehow refuse to acknowledge those.

But what people like you don't realise is the other changes it has which makes it possible for many.
Let alone if you start looking into the clinical trials of the pros and cons.

Just... lol. Solid assumption there as usual.

 

[Glaucus]

Except if you actually read the clinical trial analysis by people who don't cherry-pick like Alan Aragon or Lyle McDonald, you see that it low carbing has no particular benefit and in the case of athletes will be detrimental to their performance.

Cherry pick from posting a clinical trial? Thats an odd one.

I do agree with the last bit, people react to food differently, what works for one, doesn't mean it works for everyone.
And no potatoes are rubbish. Ive tried lots of different things and low carb high fat is by far the best and doesn't leave me hibernating most of the day.

 

[FrenchTart]

I don't eat keto but I've found that low carb has helped me eat less calories without having to be strict with myself.

It could easily just be having more of an awareness of food - though before going low(er..not really that low) carb I was aware of calorie counts of most foods and suggested intake/etc.

 

[Glaucus]

Sure if you get all your carbs from simple carb sources you might feel starved all day. Can't say I've ever felt hungry soon after having a large amount of sweet potato mash.


Even though there are numerous examples of people doing things such as calorie controlled high simple carb diets and losing fat just as steadily as on a balanced calorie controlled diet. But people like you somehow refuse to acknowledge those.


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Rofl classic.
Like me? What who have said in many threads you need to understand your body and not everyones the same. I can tell you now eating high carbs regardless of them being complex, makes me hungry. It still spikes.
Studies still show that high carb diets still reduce your resting metabolism so you burn less for doing the same etc.
So you think all these people haven't tracked calories eating what ever we want and on several different eating plans?
I eat plenty of protein, fat and veg. I then throw in carbs from lower carbed veg. Like swedes, but keep them at a small quantity.

The way i see is is people who work well on a higher carb diet are less likely to need to change their eating profile(well they do, they just don't show classic signs) Where people who do need it until recently haven't tried low carb plans. Thus although many find high carb works well. There is a high percent that when change find low carb works extremely well.

 

[smit101]

Don't see how potatoes can seriously be called rubbish food!

Potato is a good whole natural food and is particularly useful for muscle glycogen replenishment, also high in natural minerals, if you're metabolically normal and active then no reason why you can't eat lots of spud, white, sweet whichever you like it's all good IMO. I eat several pounds of 'em a week and feel pretty good on them, they're especially great with plenty of butter and olive oil.

300g of potato is what 60g of carbs approx.? Not that much in the grand scheme of things, if you're not eating refined sugars, grains and other crappy processed foods you can still maintain a low to moderate carb diet which includes lots of starches, fruits, vegetables etc.

 

[Glaucus]

Don't see how potatoes can seriously be called rubbish food!

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For me,
60g is huge. Other than massive walking days. I try and stick around 75g of carbs. Would much rather bulk meals out with a variety of veg than a measly bit of potato.
And i would rather eat better carbs like sweet potato over potatoes anyway.

 

[Somnambulist]

Cherry pick from posting a clinical trial? Thats an odd one.

I do agree with the last bit, people react to food differently, what works for one, doesn't mean it works for everyone.
And no potatoes are rubbish. Ive tried lots of different things and low carb high fat is by far the best and doesn't leave me hibernating most of the day.

Yes. E.g. they'll compare studies of keto vs. non-keto to try and prove it's superiorirty (lol Low Carb Taliban) but since the non-keto group had completely different protein intakes, it doesn't prove anything.

Also - http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/re...c-low-carbohydrate-diets-research-review.html

Metabolic advantage, riiiiight.

 

[Glaucus]

Yes. E.g. they'll compare studies of keto vs. non-keto to try and prove it's superiorirty (lol Low Carb Taliban) but since the non-keto group had completely different protein intakes, it doesn't prove anything.

Also - http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/re...c-low-carbohydrate-diets-research-review.html

Metabolic advantage, riiiiight.

First part is valid point for most research. As all are not only testing what they want. Thats the problem with diet reserch at the moment, its very much few and far between and even then has massive glaring issues with the studies.

Did you even look at the study i linked to?

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1199154
Which kind of proves calories aren't just calories. Which was the original point. Not low carb vs high carb and same protein or the other several hundred varieties ones. It also depends what your comparing it to. The diet pushed today is to lower protein intake and increase carbs.

 

[Freefaller]

Don't see how potatoes can seriously be called rubbish food!

Potato is a good whole natural food and is particularly useful for muscle glycogen replenishment, also high in natural minerals, if you're metabolically normal and active then no reason why you can't eat lots of spud, white, sweet whichever you like it's all good IMO. I eat several pounds of 'em a week and feel pretty good on them, they're especially great with plenty of butter and olive oil.

300g of potato is what 60g of carbs approx.? Not that much in the grand scheme of things, if you're not eating refined sugars, grains and other crappy processed foods you can still maintain a low to moderate carb diet which includes lots of starches, fruits, vegetables etc.

Also sugar and refined foods are directly linked to "Metabolic Syndrome".

Carbs and fats are not. So eat away.

 

[robin7]

Glad a few other people have chimed in.

So what we seem to have agreed on is that you like having low carb diet (let's not call it keto because 75g a day is not keto) because personally you find it easier to stick to?

Personally I think eliminating an entire macro nutrient is going to build a bad relationship with food and be a pathway to metabolic damage not to mention a variety of other things.

Also I guess it depends on your goals? Are you just trying to shift some weight and find keto the easiest to stick to? In which case awesome, cool, stick with it.

Or are you trying to get seriously lean? In which case it's simply NOT the best way to do it, and you'll find the large majority of current bodybuilders do NOT eliminate carbs even in contest prep (aside from peak week). And it's quite simply not the best way to lose fat while maintaining muscle.

But like everyone said, protein intake is far more important.

Ah well, best of luck and I'm glad it's working for you.

I'd definitely recommend at some point trying a different macro split and counting your macro's so you can see the benefits from different methods. But it's up to you anyways.

 

[robin7]

Also sugar and refined foods are directly linked to "Metabolic Syndrome".

Carbs and fats are not. So eat away.

But I luff eating my frosties with added sugar every morning haha

 

[Freefaller]

Without even realising I carb cycle - I just follow my body's instincts, and owing to my regular gym and food intake it works well. I've been "in touch" with my body and into this "stuff" for nearly a decade and I'm still learning how my body reacts. Wish I had done this earlier - I'd be a veritable machine!

 

[Freefaller]

But I luff eating my frosties with added sugar every morning haha

We all have our foibles!

 

[Glaucus]

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Im not on keto and purposely stay out of it. I find the draw backs. Mainly the smell to bad to get on with.
At 75g I'm not really cutting a whole macronutrient out. Im just selecting low carb veg with higher nutritional content.
The reason i do it is a few fold.
Yes i do find it massively easier to stick with, i don't sit felling hungry all day. It basically cuts out all the physical symptoms, obviously the psychological issues are still there. Comfort eating or for me, i enjoy cooking and do it when I'm bored. Bored a lot. Job doesn't help, lots of days, not many hours.

Doing it to lose weight, and its one of the things which work and can stay with it. Things like the conventional advice, yeah i lose weight, but low fat high carb, just makes me sleep all day. Where this I can easily go do a 10hour walk and have to force myself to eat more, i have done it whilst consuming just water and had no ii'll effect or need. Not that i think thats a good idea. Tend to carry lots of dried berries and nuts. Need to start dabbling in home made protein bars. That night/next day you can tell the body is crying out and food intake increase a fair bit. As it repairs itself.

When I reach my target, then i will increase carbs, but it'll stay be far lower than the recommended. Basically fat/protein will stay the same, but ill start eating sweet potato and other such roots, instead of swede or cauliflower puree etc. to a point that it maintains the weight. And I'm still reading what ever i can get my hands on and then if its referencing, reading the actual study as a lot of places don't share the whole conclusion. Or pick apart how the study was run. Both of which can drastically change their conclusion.
Current advice is crap as well as current research. Read so many clinical trials that compare tow diets, but have no idea what they're doing and using food usually banned from such diets. The best ones are low carb, yet the studies often use processed food, veg oils etc. where if you look at paleo and others, its all about whole foods and going back several thousand years before all the processed stuff.

Plenty of protein (fish, seafood, meat inc offal). Plenty of natural unrefined fats, plenty of veg and some unrefined carbs.

 

[Glaucus]

Without even realising I carb cycle - I just follow my body's instincts, and owing to my regular gym and food intake it works well. I've been "in touch" with my body and into this "stuff" for nearly a decade and I'm still learning how my body reacts. Wish I had done this earlier - I'd be a veritable machine!

+ 1
i wish i knew what i did know, 20 years ago.
Been doing it almost a year now and have such a better idea off what the body needs and some of it makes drastic changes. Both physically and mentally.
The days of stiff painful calf muscles nearly every day are the thing of the past. And seems to be down to refined grains. Things like bread/pizza bases are the worst offenders . Not exactly healthy to begin with. But its amazing how fast the changes are.

I have been reading that sprouted and then 24-48 slow ferment, like sourdough. Is meant to make grains a hell of a lot better. It would be interesting to try it. Not much supplies in uk, in america they have so many choices.