Kia Picanto vs Fiat Panda

Owned a Fiat; never would again, they all seem to be rust-buckets and rattle like crazy.

Yes, I can also remember when Fiats were like this...I can quite clearly recall my dad welding up my grandmothers old Fiat 128 back in the early 80's.

Fortunately we are not in the early 80's any more, and even my 11 year old Fiat is showing barely any signs of rust other than typical surface corrosion on suspension components.
 
In the interests of not derailing this thread, I'll ignore your obvious, unexplained prejudices; do please feel free to start a fascinating thread on "Why I hate Hyundais" ;)

I was going to say something similar :)

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Yes, I can also remember when Fiats were like this...I can quite clearly recall my dad welding up my grandmothers old Fiat 128 back in the early 80's.

Fortunately we are not in the early 80's any more, and even my 11 year old Fiat is showing barely any signs of rust other than typical surface corrosion on suspension components.

quite. my 14 year old fiat is also pretty much rust free (tiny bubble on the tailgate inside lip)
 
Used to get a Fiat Panda as a courtesy vehicle when the punto would go into Fiat for warranty work (twice in 3 years) OK car as a courtesy vehicle for a couple of hours but I couldn't live with it for an extended period of time. It felt so cheap and basic more so then the Punto, but then thats cause it is cheap (in new car terms) i suppose.

The main thing which has put me off Fiat is the poor service from my local dealer, but then thats not restricted to Fiat.

Sticking with Fiat for a minute personally I would get a 2004-2005 Fiat Punto Sporting over a Panda. Its small enough, cheap to insurance, nippier than the Panda and IMO better looking. Plus it'll be £1000-£1500 cheaper than the Panda even with the scrapage scheme.
 
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Sticking with Fiat for a minute personally I would get a 2004-2005 Fiat Punto Sporting over a Panda. Its small enough, cheap to insurance, nippier than the Panda and IMO better looking. Plus it'll be £1000-£1500 cheaper than the Panda even with the scrapage scheme.

Poor advice - the Panda is a genuinelly good small car whereas the 2004-2005 Punto was pretty terrible
 
Having driven the Punto Sporting for 3 years I can tell you from personal experience it wasn't a terrible car.

It was reliable, cheap to insure, cheap to run and nippy for what it was, which is a small engined small car, plus its a lot better looking then the Panda in povety spec IMO obviously.
 
Is it just me or does the Picanto have the most pointless engine choice? 1.0 60bhp or 1.1 64bhp....4bhp difference!
 
[TW]Fox;14871305 said:
Compared to a Deawoo Nexia, sure..

Yes brilliant argument there Fox, I'm giving reasons why it isn't (baring in mind I never said it was a brilliant car just not terrible) and your arguement is 'its terrible because I say it is'
 
[TW]Fox;14870822 said:
You mentioned it as a key part of your decision, 'my reasonin was the extended warranty on a new car'.

A 3 year warranty on a new car is not extended, it is standard, therefore you must be reffering to the Hyundai's offering which is extended over that of the competition.

Another point, surely after 4-5 years in a Hyundai you'll already have attempted to guage your eyes out with a spoon rather than drive it any longer and will have changed it before you gain this benefit anyway?

Again, you completely miss the point of these cars, these cars are for people who simply dont care about anything other than getting from A-B with as little hassle and expense as possible.
That is why they exist, your arguments however well constructed and seemingly logical do not apply to these cars and the people that buy them.
 
Yes, I can also remember when Fiats were like this...I can quite clearly recall my dad welding up my grandmothers old Fiat 128 back in the early 80's.

Fortunately we are not in the early 80's any more, and even my 11 year old Fiat is showing barely any signs of rust other than typical surface corrosion on suspension components.
Fair point, times change and manufacturers will undoubtedly make a point of addressing perceived weaknesses (e.g. rust) in their offerings. I guess that my example which is of quite a few years ago may well not be current.

I guess that it would probably be wisest to decide how long you want to keep a car for and then have a look at a few random examples of cars of that age.


To illustrate a point about choosing a car, I am sometimes approached by people who want to buy a new computer; when I ask what they actually want a computer for, they are almost invariably stunned by the question, never having actually given much thought to what their needs really are.

As someone pointed out, there are many reasons for owning a car; I simply want something to get me from A to B, reliably, safely and economically. Maybe five or six times a year I will drive 300 miles or more in one session and comfort becomes a significant issue but most of the time I use it for commuting. I have never bought a car as a personal mission statement, in the hope of pulling birds or as a substitute for genital inadequacies ;)


NEEDS -vs- WANTS
 
As has been said already, dont spend £5k on a new car, go second hand.

However, out of the two posted originally, I would say the Panda everytime.

Personally I hate the things, they are simply too small for my frame over long periods and I dont like their slab looks. However, both my mother and grandmother have one, mothers is a metallic dark blue Multijet diesel Dynamic and grandparents is a red 1.2 active and tbh, for such a small car they are pretty good. They have both owned them for nearly 3 years now (active was from new, dynamic was a year old) and for what its worth neither of them have gone wrong in any respect.

Nothing has fallen off, they dont rattle inside and while they are plasticky, they do genuinely fit 4 reasonably sized adults in them. The suspension is soft and quite squidgy, not great if you like to race it around everywhere, but then why would you be buying a non 100BHP Panda? What it does mean is that even on the motorway, the 1.3 diesel at least, is actually quite acceptable. My mum commutes 40 miles a day in the thing!

If you want a small car, the Panda is perfectly acceptable and well packaged, would certainly be my choice over the Hyundai/Kia.

But dont, buy second hand ;)
 
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You can still get a better deal 2nd hand IMO, looking at 5 years old you can get a large hatch with a warranty. However, I know someone who is getting a Panda on scrappage, and he's paying £1000 less then you.

As for your original question, the Panda is hands down the better car. The Picanto is 10 or 15 years behind modern cars as far as the technology in it and its construction. They cost the same as a normal car because of the warranty work they expect to do. The Workshop Manual doesn't say what gearbox oil it needs, and the technical helpline for dealers don't know that oil can be synthetic.
 
However, I know someone who is getting a Panda on scrappage, and he's paying £1000 less then you.

Can you get some more details on this please as I'm interested in how to get a discount on the list price.

And, back on track...

Ok, and I've had my test drives and here are my thoughts on the two cars (stream of though):

Kia Picanto

Fairly attractive to look at. Decent space inside. Nice CD player. Severe braking. Very hard suspension. Noisy engine (and this was the 1.1). Plastic feel to internal panelling. Huge and stupid blind spot on front passenger side. Cheapest version comes in white. Very usable interior layout and decent steering wheel, liked the gear box which was very Clio-esque. I really mean it about the suspension, very clunky. The engine was pretty poor -really sluggish to respond.

Fiat Panda

Looks ok from the front, but the back end is rather boxlike. Higher quality finish to the interior with the exception of the CD player. Far more pleasant to drive - liked the softer suspension, good all-round vision and smoother drive (engine was nowhere near as noisy either). Interior seems a lot smaller than the Picanto. Boot seems a bit on the small side. Engine seemed a lot more responsive and gave some reasonable power.

Conclusion

I'm favouring the Panda at the moment. Much more pleasant to drive. But then again, its £700 more. Definately can't justify spending £350 more for a non-stock paintjob though.

Came away from the dealers pretty pleased that I got to try both without any pushiness. I'll take a couple of days now to think over my decision and possibly look at 2nd-hand options if you guys have any definate suggestions.

lol... got back in my Clio with no power steering and it just felt heavy and sluggish. Damn I've been spoiled today :cool:
 
If I had to choose between those two, I'd go for the Fiat. It's acknowledged as being a pretty good supermini. The Kia is transport. Nothing says "I COULD NOT CARE LESS ABOUT CARS AND I ACTUALLY HATE DRIVING" like a Kia. I bet Which? love it.

The Kia has a very good warranty, but then I don't tend to worry about stuff like that. I can fix (or have a go at fixing) pretty much anything and I drive a 21 year old Opel Manta that has not broken down since I've had it (18 months ish?) - I'm sure I've just given it the kiss of death by saying that though.

Severe braking and ridiculously firm suspension seem to be the norm on modern superminis and family wagons these days. My mate gave me a lift home in his new Civic Type-R and I think it actually fractured 95% of my bones. And I usually drive cars fitted with coilovers or uprated suspension so I should be used to firm suspension.
 
Can you get some more details on this please as I'm interested in how to get a discount on the list price.

He has simply negotiated an extra £1000 off the £2k the scrappage got him.

Without going into tax, the scrappage scheme means the govt. is paying £1000, and the dealer is giving a £1000 discount. So when at their most desperate, a FIAT dealer will let a 1.1 Active go for ~£5k (list price being ~£7k).

Catch the dealer near the end of a slow month (they have sales targets), play them off against a different dealer, and you will get the car for your old banger + £4k of your own cash.
 
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