Kids Company scamming charity? Or just incompetent management?

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9437932/the-trouble-with-kids-company/

couldn't explain to their biggest individual donor where the money had gone then accuser her of having mental health issues:

Joan Woolard, who sold her house just over a year ago so as to give the proceeds to Kids Company. Less than a year after making her enormous donation, of about £200,000, she became so disillusioned that she complained to the Charity Commission and is demanding back her money.
[...]
Finally, last August — six weeks after it was promised — Joan Woolard received the report setting out where her money had gone. It had been overseen and written off personally by Ms Batmanghelidjh. But instead of allaying the widow’s concerns, it only increased them. Five of its 11 pages were simply photographs of children. Within the text were three boxes referring to what her money had bought. This included the claim that £44,181 of her donation went on ‘the entirety of our food budget at Kenbury [one of its London centres] between September and December 2013’.

Mrs Woolard found this odd. A Kids Company report produced for the government — covering the period 2011 to 2013 — had stated: ‘In the past year, £174,379 was spent providing meals at four of our centres’ — including Kenbury. This suggested that the average monthly budget for each of the four centres was only £3,600. Yet according to the report given to Mrs Woolard, the monthly average for Kenbury during the period her money was spent on food there was £11,045 — three times higher. The charity says it’s confident about its figures.

Its special report for Mrs Woolard stated that Kids Company fed ‘approximately 3,000 children each week’. An article in the Evening Standard last October also stated that the Kenbury Street centre serves 3,000 hot meals each week.

The figures are confusing. Are 450 youngsters being fed a meal there daily — a total of 3,000 meals a week? Or are 3,000 youngsters getting one meal there each per week? Mrs Woolard tried to find out by visiting the Kenbury Street centre unannounced. She estimated that the dining space had enough room for 60 people at any one time. To serve 3,000 meals per week would require seven separate sittings per day, seven days a week. She feels these numbers just do not add up.

Camila Batmanghelidjh dismissed my concerns about the treatment of Mrs Woolard, saying in email: ‘We have been concerned about Joan Woolard and her mental health. A few months back we discussed our concerns with the Charity Commission and placed the evidence with them.’ Quite apart from the distasteful nature of the accusation, and the fact that I found Joan Woolard to be perfectly sane, the question remains: if Kids Company really thinks Joan Woolard might be mentally unwell, doesn’t it have a duty to return her £200,000?
 
I thought some schools had to take in whoever they were told to, which is why the "bad" ones get passed around from school to school every term or two.

(please, correct me if I'm wrong, which I expect I am, now you've said that :))

in the late 90s if you got kicked out of every school in your area you were offered a home tutor.
I know because 2 people I grew up with had them

It might have changed but I doubt it
 
Last edited:
The LA have a statutory obligation to find them a place. Of course that doesn't mean it'll be entirely suitable for them but somewhere will take them.

Yes and in an ideal world there would be enough school places. There simply aren't though. Plus given they're kids with additional needs then the school can still say they aren't able to take them.
 
Most charities are bent as a three pound note. Most politicians are bent as a three pound note.

Add the two and you've got a bunch of dodgy, lying, two faced, thieving conmen who are more than likely using the misfortune of others as a tax dodge.

I'm more than happy to be proven wrong of course.

The country is awash with "Fake Charities"

(IE ones that receive significant government funding)

There role is to act as shills. A mechanism whereby the government uses taxpayers money to lobby itself and provide apparent support for its policy decisions!

:mad:

That's pretty much my view on the whole sorry mess.
 
in the late 90s after you get kicked out of every school in your area you are offered a home tutor.
I know because 2 people I grew up with had them

It might have changed but I doubt it

If you get excluded you get put in a pupil referral unit. They're not great. I can only speak for Bristol but here they were running the places for kids with special educational needs, where they can't go to mainstream school. This is why I'm worried. There is nowhere else equipped to take them.
 
On a serious note, I'm genuinely worried about what this will mean for some of the children at the place I work, who are supported by and rely on Kids Co here in Bristol.

If they're closing everything, some of these kids won't have anywhere to go to school next month as the places run by Kids Co were the only ones who would take them. :(


Are these troubled and very naughty boys\girls?
 
There are a number of reasons for them working with Kids co. One of those bring they may have special educational needs.


I know the government pay taxi firms to transport naughty boys\girls from derby to Solihull. Won't they do it there?
 
You've got to admit we were all pretty stupid to be taken in by Kids Company - I mean, I doubt you'd secure an investment if you turned up to Dragon's Den dressed up as a bowl of fruit.
 
Its probably a combination of incompetence, financial mismanagement and leeches playing the system. There were reports from staff about people driving up to the offices and being handed £50 to £100 because they supposedly needed it, feeding 2000 children a month when they couldn't fit that many kids in 1 sitting a day, large sums of money going to people for unknown reasons.

It was on the news last night where they had loads of families protesting about the closure of Kids Co, all of them well clothed and none of them looked impoverished yet they were all saying without it they couldn't afford to eat and would starve to death, without Kids Co they wouldn't have had anywhere to live etc. It all reeked of people playing the system and upset the gravy train had come to a stop.

No doubt the charity did help lots of vulnerable people but it also looks like they gave money over to anyone that gave them a sob story, no doubt part of the cause of the financial irregularities. If it is found that the charity was bent in anyway then she should go to jail.
 
No, it is all the fault of the media and the civil service, she said so.

As a civil servant I find that offensive, that the service would somehow cause a charity to fail. Equally offensive is suggesting your largest donor has mental health issues because she's questioned how the money has been spent.
 
I really feel sorry for the kids in this situation.

Well a young lady (ex Kid) stated on BBC R4's Today programme this morning, that the "Kids" would turn up weekly and collect their brown envelopes containing £30 and then spend it all on illegal drugs. She said one could smell cannabis smoke all down the street.

Public money well spent, I don't think so.
 
Most charities are bent as a three pound note. Most politicians are bent as a three pound note.

Add the two and you've got a bunch of dodgy, lying, two faced, thieving conmen who are more than likely using the misfortune of others as a tax dodge.

I'm more than happy to be proven wrong of course.

Do you know how burden of proof works.
 
As a civil servant I find that offensive,
I think your sarcasm detector needs a new battery :) Unless of course the entire civil service really has been plotting her downfall from inside their hollowed out volcano lairs.

I have zero sympathy with the complaints I read this morning from her about the charity being used as a political football. You take taxpayers money, you can damm well expect scrutiny on how you are spending it.
 
You've got to admit we were all pretty stupid to be taken in by Kids Company - I mean, I doubt you'd secure an investment if you turned up to Dragon's Den dressed up as a bowl of fruit.

In her new job as chief executive of Weight Watchers she'll be a resounding success.
 
I think your sarcasm detector needs a new battery :) Unless of course the entire civil service really has been plotting her downfall from inside their hollowed out volcano lairs.

I have zero sympathy with the complaints I read this morning from her about the charity being used as a political football. You take taxpayers money, you can damm well expect scrutiny on how you are spending it.

Indeed. I've managed fairly large grant streams to organisations and we've fully expected them to show us exactly how and why it's been spent in the way it has, including evidence for VFM. Being a children's charity should not mean that these things do not apply and that people should take it for granted that money is being spent on 'good' things as doesn't always mean the best or right thing.
 
Back
Top Bottom