Killer Instinct DX12 benchmarks

[Stanners]

So, you are saying that unbiased people buy their £600 GPU for 2 months and then move on to the next one?
Who would have thought that buying GPU for a long long period of time to last is called biased and silly.
What did you get buying fury x when they released? Perfectly high FPS to enjoy any game in the market with a thought that it will only get much better, much much better. Yeah, that's just silly of people

You seem happy to give him the role eyes after putting the words in his mouth. He calls no one silly but merely gives his own personal opinion.

 

[muziqaz]

Hey?

I wouldn't have bought nvidia cards if I thought AMD were doing a better job, which for me they weren't when the 980ti and Fury X were out. I don't like spending almost £600 on GPU if it's not as good as competing product. All these people getting hyped up over AMD's wins recently are the ones who are biased. Personally I don't see any victory in getting better performance after almost a full year of waiting, in a few obscure games, that are only available from the monstrosity that is Windows 10 app store

Hey. The number of those obscure games is growing every week, and only 3 of them are from Windows Store.

Fury X was not good competition when it was marked up for higher price by certain shops. When things calmed down it was very competitive and potent product. Even back then. Now performance is going up while nvidias cards stagnating. Both sides have potent products, there is no denying it. And everyone cheers for AMD wins because AMD needs it and deserve it, and we need them strong. People who don't understand that are biased

 

[Mtom]

So much salty in this thread.

Addition that because of a game that runs perfectly fine on NV cards as well (960 ~60FPS, 970 80-90FPS, 980Ti 120-130FPS), just not the green lines are the longest on the graph and some people instantly going on about it.

 

[muziqaz]

You seem happy to give him the role eyes after putting the words in his mouth. He calls no one silly but merely gives his own personal opinion.

Well, when he is twisting facts and add his opinion to those 'facts' then he is kinda implying everyone is silly.
Fact is DX12 is here. More and more games are coming out, not less. Even recent DX11 games show AMD in better light now.
His 'fact' is that those games are just obscure games from single online store. His 'fact' is completely false, thus his opinion on it is skewed.
If a person reacted to actual fact not some made up 'unbiased fact' then he would receive different reaction
And calling people who understand that market needs 2 strong players biased is basically calling them silly.

 

[humbug]

Addition that because of a game that runs perfectly fine on NV cards as well (960 ~60FPS, 970 80-90FPS, 980Ti 120-130FPS), just not the green lines are the longest on the graph and some people instantly going on about it.

The thing is tho there is a lot of argument that the 980TI is so much better than the Fury X because it gets 10 FPS more at 1080P in most things.

Suddenly when a 3+ year old middling range AMD card is just about as fast as Nvidia best chip FPS no longer mater?

 

[Stanners]

Well, when he is twisting facts and add his opinion to those 'facts' then he is kinda implying everyone is silly.
Fact is DX12 is here. More and more games are coming out, not less. Even recent DX11 games show AMD in better light now.
His 'fact' is that those games are just obscure games from single online store. His 'fact' is completely false, thus his opinion on it is skewed.
If a person reacted to actual fact not some made up 'unbiased fact' then he would receive different reaction
And calling people who understand that market needs 2 strong players biased is basically calling them silly.

Again you need to read it clearly, He uses words such as personally and does not imply it is fact. It reads as in his view they are obscure games etc. Now by all means disagree with this but at no point does he call anyone silly as you state.

You seem to be looking for something that is not there.

 

[Stanners]

The thing is tho there is a lot of argument that the 980TI is so much better than the Fury X because it gets 10 FPS more at 1080P in most things.

Suddenly when a 3+ year old middling range AMD card is just about as fast as Nvidia best chip FPS no longer mater?

It does matter, And if when the next flagship cards are released and the trend continues a lot of us will be back with AMD.

In a way I hope this happens as it will give Nvidia a kick, The same way that most enthusiasts want to see Zen succeed to give Intel the same kick!

We want to see innovation, not someone holding back because they have no need to push

 

[humbug]

It does matter, And if when the next flagship cards are released and the trend continues a lot of us will be back with AMD.

In a way I hope this happens as it will give Nvidia a kick, The same way that most enthusiasts want to see Zen succeed to give Intel the same kick!

We want to see innovation, not someone holding back because they have no need to push

Exactly that
This sort of thing matters too, it will force Nvidia to react. We all win.

 

[Asa]

Killer Instinct is Dx11. The required and recommended specs on the Windows store page say as much.

You can also tell just by playing it. Because it actually works.

 

[drunkenmaster]

All these people getting hyped up over AMD's wins recently are the ones who are biased. Personally I don't see any victory in getting better performance after almost a full year of waiting, in a few obscure games, that are only available from the monstrosity that is Windows 10 app store.

You have no bias but you're calling multiple AAA titles obscure and also insanely calling them Windows 10 app store games. Three games afaik, out of what 7 or 8, are WIndows store only, Gears, Killer Instinct and Quantum Break? That most AAA titles will be DX12 in the future and only a few will be Win store exclusives.

But you're not biased, first it didn't matter because AMD are only faster at both low or high frame rates, when called on it now it's because AMD are only faster in obscure games that are Win 10 store exclusives. So you've been called on that too, what is the new reason for it not mattering that AMD are faster in DX12 games?

When you make an argument, are called on it and change your argument completely while claiming to not be biased something is wrong.

Also you decided to call Fury X a £600 card when it started off at £550 and it also runs cooler and quieter than any similarly priced 980ti. Like for like cards with same noise levels while running at launch it was about £550 for a Fury X and £650 for a 980ti. Today it's £450 for a Fury X and £620 for a AIO 980ti, by my reckoning that is 40% more expensive than the Fury X.

 

[fs123]

Addition that because of a game that runs perfectly fine on NV cards as well (960 ~60FPS, 970 80-90FPS, 980Ti 120-130FPS), just not the green lines are the longest on the graph and some people instantly going on about it.

KI is not even heavy on the gpu yet cards like the 970 are barely getting higher than 60 fps @ 1440P with a top end i7 cpu. Anyone with a lesser system will probably not get 60 fps at 1440P with a 970 yet someone with an old R9 290 likely will.

It appears that games optimized for consoles are going to run better on AMD GCN cards and anyone with a 900 series Nvidia card should be reasonably worried about it's longevity if they bought one recently.

 

[CyberCrow]

Hey. The number of those obscure games is growing every week, and only 3 of them are from Windows Store.

As in the same assumption that people are upgrading there cards every two months?

Don't know whats more ludicrous

 

[humbug]

The proverbial fan is going to be in for a rough time if when Pascal and Polaris are all said and done with one in a clear lead.

 

[Sin_Chase]

I think everyone needs to calm down, take a seat and just chill.

DX12 is far from a mature product, the games launching on it appear to be using it as a marketing exercise more than anything for the time being. It's working also, some people are buying titles just to see what DX12 is all about. Any site posting DX12 benchmarks are being jumped on and quoted left, right and centre.

It's all well and good proposing likely outcomes for either brand but some people are taking these proposals a little too seriously. Even with DX11 some titles have had a clear advantage on AMD or nVidia. This won't change for DX12 and it's somewhat implausible to suggest AMD will have a carte blanche advantage over nVidia purely because of GCN. The same applies the other way around for nVidia.

 

[queamin]

I think everyone needs to calm down, take a seat and just chill.

DX12 is far from a mature product, the games launching on it appear to be using it as a marketing exercise more than anything for the time being. It's working also, some people are buying titles just to see what DX12 is all about. Any site posting DX12 benchmarks are being jumped on and quoted left, right and centre.

It's all well and good proposing likely outcomes for either brand but some people are taking these proposals a little too seriously. Even with DX11 some titles have had a clear advantage on AMD or nVidia. This won't change for DX12 and it's somewhat implausible to suggest AMD will have a carte blanche advantage over nVidia purely because of GCN. The same applies the other way around for nVidia.

The point is consoles are GCN and what ever you look at it, for me a lot of dev are getting lazy half the time they cannot even launch a game that is finished so I can see quite a few putting minimum effect into it when porting to PC.

 

[humbug]

I think everyone needs to calm down, take a seat and just chill.

DX12 is far from a mature product, the games launching on it appear to be using it as a marketing exercise more than anything for the time being. It's working also, some people are buying titles just to see what DX12 is all about. Any site posting DX12 benchmarks are being jumped on and quoted left, right and centre.

It's all well and good proposing likely outcomes for either brand but some people are taking these proposals a little too seriously. Even with DX11 some titles have had a clear advantage on AMD or nVidia. This won't change for DX12 and it's somewhat implausible to suggest AMD will have a carte blanche advantage over nVidia purely because of GCN. The same applies the other way around for nVidia.

i've just started looking at DX12, so far DX11 on my GPU is slightly faster, some very strange back end behaviour going on, initial glance it seems its just not scheduling threads much at all, it looks more a kin to DX11.

 

[queamin]

Also at last for AMD they getting a lot more out of GCN where you had bottleneck of dx11 and with time they seam to able to start getting close to max utilisation from GCN in dx12
if you look the flops of a 390x is close to 980ti but to be honest most of the time the 980ti will be in front some what but time will tell how far AMD can push GCN.

 

[fs123]

The point is consoles are GCN and what ever you look at it, for me a lot of dev are getting lazy half the time they cannot even launch a game that is finished so I can see quite a few putting minimum effect into it when porting to PC.

Exactly. Most devs can't be bothered to optimize for AMD cards when a game is Nvidia sponsored and vice versa so to expect optimisations for PC when consoles are main platform is probably expecting too much.

The weakness of the consoles forces devs to dig deep into the hardware and extract as much performance as possible so more optimisations for GCN cards is a given in the majority of cases. Nvidia can of course get games into their TWIMTBP program like with ROTTR.

 

[Jono8]

I think everyone needs to calm down, take a seat and just chill.

DX12 is far from a mature product, the games launching on it appear to be using it as a marketing exercise more than anything for the time being. It's working also, some people are buying titles just to see what DX12 is all about. Any site posting DX12 benchmarks are being jumped on and quoted left, right and centre.

It's all well and good proposing likely outcomes for either brand but some people are taking these proposals a little too seriously. Even with DX11 some titles have had a clear advantage on AMD or nVidia. This won't change for DX12 and it's somewhat implausible to suggest AMD will have a carte blanche advantage over nVidia purely because of GCN. The same applies the other way around for nVidia.

This. Also, lets be honest the majority of people here will be buying a Pascal or Polaris card ( myself included) .

I therefore only really want to know how the next gen cards will fare in DX12 as i dont intend to keep my current card (a 980) for much longer and there are only a handful of DX12 games out and only one which i have actually been intserested in/bought (Tomb Raider, which is the one that runs better on Nvidia cards anyway ).

At the moment though it certainly looks like the current crop of AMD cards are faring better in DX12. However, with still only a few DX12 games out i am not going to start jumping to conclusions just yet.

 

[Sin_Chase]

I can see quite a few putting minimum effect into it when porting to PC.

Welcome to.....since forever?

PC ports have always been lazy. Good PC ports have always been the exception to the norm.