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** KINGPIN HAS ENTERED THE WEBSITE!! **

newhit said:
Looking for worried look Smilie............Strong Island and Vega (oops, sorry, just read above Vega comment) are not happy campers with their Kingpins over at OC.net.........not very good memory clox. :eek:

EVGA Jacob says they are working on a new bios :(
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It's not just memory either, one of my Kingpins can't do over measly 1398 core step without artifacting no matter the voltage. :eek:
 
newhit said:
Looks like Strong Island ditched his Kingpins and kept his Classys when going through with a sale of said Classys
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Not much more to say on that other than oh dear! How is a BIOS going to solve poor memory clocks? Not sure what underlying issue there could be with all of them that would affect that
 
MjFrosty said:
Not much more to say on that other than oh dear! How is a BIOS going to solve poor memory clocks? Not sure what underlying issue there could be with all of them that would affect that
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Memory is memory and no BIOS will help that but for benching big, you need big memory clocks and I can't believe it is so poor. What is going on with this card I wonder? :(

Gutted for the guys who have them. Maybe LN2 will be the difference but still those memory clocks have me thinking no chance.
 
Bios can help loosen or tighten the memory timings though, so it may help overclocking the sammy chips. Kind of a sad compromise though, I am unsure whether or not I will accept the package at this time :(
 
Maybe the sammy chips are a bit too ambitious I guess. GDDR5 timings are super tight from what someone told me a couple years ago, but like you say VSG that's still a compromise, when you're already seeing Hynx on ref cards hitting 2Ghz. Still a bit dubious about that though, playing with factory timings may have an adverse effect on some cards.
 
MjFrosty said:
Not much more to say on that other than oh dear! How is a BIOS going to solve poor memory clocks? Not sure what underlying issue there could be with all of them that would affect that
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Not much to say on that but, oh bxxxocks! :D.

Yes, memory is memory but, Strong just tried a new bios..........and.........nope............and.............no comment :(
 
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The cores were binned for LN2 usage and the card has been marketed as such, nobody should be puzzled when the card does not perform better that the standard classified under water. EVGA have not any claims about anything other than LN2 performance.
 
Besty is correct the cores are solely binned for LN2.

The ASUS DC2 I have seen very good memory clocks with.

I still cant comment on this as I hjave not tested.

Yeah Setter I have LN2 at work so maybe I could live stream the testing.
 
Besty said:
The cores were binned for LN2 usage and the card has been marketed as such, nobody should be puzzled when the card does not perform better that the standard classified under water. EVGA have not any claims about anything other than LN2 performance.
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Indeed I saw the card as such straight away...but then why sell it with a fancy pants air cooler? I'm betting less than 20% sold will be on LN2.
 
MjFrosty said:
Indeed I saw the card as such straight away...but then why sell it with a fancy pants air cooler? I'm betting less than 20% sold will be on LN2.
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Maybe that's a mistake I'm about to make. But, as you say, there has to be a question about the cooler implementation.
 
I speculate that they shipped the card with an air-cooler for a couple of reasons a) to recoup some of their engineering and marketing spend for what is a very low volume halo product. Fitting an air-cooler widens their potential sales base to make the card economically viable to bring to market b) to test an upgraded air cooler in small volumes which may form the next version of their mass market ACX cooler.

EVGA appeared to have put some real effort into the air-cooler, like I say, probably as a proof-of-concept for their next generation mass produced cards.

The card also appears to be a dead cert to get to 1300mhz at 1.2v on air.

For those two reasons the card would be a significant upgrade over a 680/7970 class GPU and not only emit less heat than a non-binned card but emit less noise as a result.

Ignoring the price, the engineering demonstrated here looks a cut above, right on par with a 780ti HOF (when/if it appears) and the true successor to the 580 Classified Ultra (as identified a couple of pages back).

I could understand why people would buy them to run on air, ignoring the cost, just to get a cooler running card which boosts really well due to the higher level of engineering and binning at play. The major downside for those wanting to run them on air, would be the power requirements of the card, those running air-cooled rigs probably don't have a high-end PSU.

Running them on anything other than LN2 will probably result in disappointment over a standard Classified but its probably those buying them to run on air and water which have made the Kingpin possible.
 
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