Knives and the problem on the streets... Take a min to read this please.

fatty1 said:
I have a family to think of and I don't want to leave them yet.

I agree.
My views of the world, and my own role in it, changed when I got married. Though we may not have kids yet I still have a wife who is also my most trusted friend, and I have no intention of leaving her alone due to my own bravado or stupidity.

In short, i'd comply or run.
 
Gaygle said:
Apparently, say the knifeman comes up to you and is like:

"Gimme your wallet" or summit and you just look at him and scream, its meant to confuse the attacker and you use this couple of seconds of confusion to run.

Yeh, apparently it puts oxygen into you blood, gets your adrenaline pumping and confuses your attacker. Just watch a bruce lee film.

When i was 14 to about 17 i used to carry a small flick pen knife on me. I never had to use it but came close. I thought it wasnt a good idea as me and 5 mates against about 15 known scalllies (1 with a blade) isnt good odds. We ran instead and they gave chase, we all came out uninjured apart from a high barbed wire fence we jumped. Strange how it didnt hurt until when we got back to my mates house and i noticed blood in my hand and small holes.

Im sure its legal to carry a blade on you up to 4" in length, at least it used to be?
 
Dolph, I've just emailed you regarding this thread - check your mail please chap. :)
 
Lowe said:

Haha! What's with the conga?!

If there's one thing I've learnt from doing martial arts it's that you're almost never going to be attacked in a way that you've practised defending against, unless your practice opponents are actually trying to hit you. Therefore, unless you can withstand a few blows before getting the upper hand you might as well run. With a knife attack you don't have the 'luxury' of judging your opponent from the initial strikes.
 
That was an average knife, wasn't especially sharpened for the video. That's exactly what you would encounter if hit by a blade! :eek:
 
I have also trained in martial arts but have just taken it up again after a long break. I agree wholeheartedly with what Lowe has said. You may very well learn a miriad of different defnces against all sorts of weapons, knives, sticks and guns but I can guarantee, none of us are or will ever be good enough to use them effectively in the street. No matter how hard you train.

What you have to remember is, what happens in the controlled environment of the dojo/training hall is one thing but on a wet Saturday night with your best dancing shoes on, eight pints on board and that fat lass that you have fancied for months in tow, you will not be anywhere near as good as you think you are.

I have stood up to a couple of muggers and dished out enough damage to get away, I was cornered and had no choice but to fight, luckily neither had a weapon. If I would have had the choice I would have ran, Lynford Christie wouldn't have caught me. I would rather walk away from a situation with damaged pride than a damaged spleen.
 
I know I'd run, I'd run like hell, chances are the sort of random low life who would pull a knife on someone won't be as fit as me, and I'd run a couple of miles if need be to shake him :D If I was cornered or whatever I'd just do what he says.
 
Oblivious said:
I agree, Ive heard a lot of bravado from friends who do martial arts saying they could disarm somebody and turn the knife on them.

Is it worth it?

Yes. If a martial arts expert was able to turn the knife back on the attacker, they'd think twice about pulling the knife on someone in the future.

Me, I'd just kick them in the sack and run off.

Gaygle said:
Apparently, say the knifeman comes up to you and is like:

"Gimme your wallet" or summit and you just look at him and scream, its meant to confuse the attacker and you use this couple of seconds of confusion to run.

LOL! I've seen this being used many times on TV and what-not. Very clever tactic.

I'd love someone to sayd "Gimme your wlle". I'd reply with something like "That's what your mum said to me last night". Would confuse the hell out of them for sure :D
 
agw_01 said:
Yes. If a martial arts expert was able to turn the knife back on the attacker, they'd think twice about pulling the knife on someone in the future.

Me, I'd just kick them in the sack and run off.

And another one! :)

I really, really need to post my next vid but I'm awaiting an answer from the Dons as to its suitability since it contains a few Holby City gore shots in it.

If you're close enough to kick someone with a blade in the nuts, you're already bleeding.

For you to kick, punch, strike with a bat etc you need to retract your arm, leg, bat etc. Someone who's buzzing on adrenaline and desperation (why else would they attack?) with a blade will see this a mile off and stick you before you've got chance to do anything.

A blade does not need to be retracted and pushed back to deliver a lethal blow. You can walk onto a blade and kill yourself! :(
 
I'm not the slowest 25 year old around, but I might consider a swift kick to the shins if it seemed like I could get one in, more than likely I'd peg it.
 
Wryel said:
I'm not the slowest 25 year old around, but I might consider a swift kick to the shins if it seemed like I could get one in, more than likely I'd peg it.

Watch the first vid I posted. In the section with the conga, the are guys sparring for 30 seconds. In that time he gets cut 4 times, most of which happen when trying to stop the attack by parrying with a kick - because he's static. :)
 
Lowe -
Couldn't agree with you more. Like you I've been in the unfortunate situation of someone weilding a knife in my direction, and my response was exactly the same. I ran, and fast. I wouldn't even consider tackling anyone half my size if they had a blade (I'm 6'6"). It's just not worth a lengthy stay in hospital or worse.
 
If you're backed into a corner tell the guy to carefully consider not cutting you as you suffer from HIV or AIDS. That will play on his mind a little as to whether or not he wants to expose himself to a potential infection from a virus like that, then just comply or if you're fit, RUN, if you're not, just hand over whatever you have as it's easily replaced.

If you fight you may end up dead of you could disarm the dude and he keeps coming, you could turn the knife on him and next thing you know you're the one looking down on this guy while his face turns blue and the cops dont give a damn if it was self defence.

I've been stabbed a couple of times and it doesn't really hurt straight away, you could easily be stabbed when fighting an attacker and not even know until you drop to the ground feeling weak and cold. It's not worth it, just give the muppet your phone/wallet/whatever, or if you're fit then run like the wind.

I know it can be tough on the ego yielding to a trampy wee thug but it's so easy to end up dead with one stab wound. I've lost a few friends to stab wounds and another friend of mine is serving a life sentence for one moment of madness where he stabbed a guy outside a chippy over some macho ******** and the guy died from one stab wound to the chest. Total waste of 2 young lives.
 
it'd depend on the exact situation.

if i thought my life was in danger, and i thought there was no other (safer) option at the time, i'd fight hard and fast. given that in the situation i'd probably have seconds if that to make a decision and commit to it, i fully expect i might have to make a snap decision which might differ to the one i would make given more time and less pressure.

if at the instant it all happened, i could see another way that i believed at the time to be safer, then i'd do that, be it legging it, doing whatever i was told to by the attacker/s etc.

like i say, i can't say outright what my response would be without knowing the exact specifics of the situation.

please bear in mind, i'm a big ugly looking sod, and anyone pulling a knife on me probably means business. there's always the chance i'm gonna get the pointy end even if i hand over whatever they want.

also, unlike probably the majority, i also have many years experience and training in various fighting styles/arts, and have taught such.

i would generally refrain from offering advice to others about what to do in such situations. probably the best i could offer is to suggest that everyone should go do some martial arts / defence training, not necesarily to protect them in case the worst happens (lets be real, if the worst happens, any amount of training and you can still come off the loser) but more to give them a better apreciation of their own limits and capabilities, and enlighten them to the fact of how vulnerable they really are, and hopefully a more switched on and tuned in attitude when they're out and about. and finally if nothing else, improve their fitness level, so if it comes down to legging it, they don't keel over after 100 yards.

my 2p...
 
For the most part, I'd run. If the situation was right a kick to the goulies would be in order, but I'd have to have the little lady with me. Your pride isn't worth your life.

Ant :cool:
 
Some more interesting responses. :)

MrWhippy - I have yet another video of a MA with 20 years experience. He gets involved breaking up a fight between two sets of football hooligans and the aftermath is recorded on video. If you're interested I'll email you the link. I definately won't link to this on the forum!
 
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