Knives and the problem on the streets... Take a min to read this please.

I'd definately just take to my heels and run, especially after watching that video. Im not one for fighting, which some people find unusual, as Im quite a big fella. Maybe thats why Ive never really ahd any trouble while out and about. People think that cos Im braod shouldered and heavily built (Though it's more fat thatn muscle :D), they are disinclined to start trouble. If they have a nife, however, they'll probably feel that the balance is in their favour aain, and they'd be right.
 
Lowe said:
Some more interesting responses. :)

MrWhippy - I have yet another video of a MA with 20 years experience. He gets involved breaking up a fight between two sets of football hooligans and the aftermath is recorded on video. If you're interested I'll email you the link. I definately won't link to this on the forum!

please do, i'll take a look. mail in trust.
 
Due to the world we live in even protecting your pride and standing your ground, I would have to run.

HOWEVER, if I was with a loved one and the thing between them and the knife was me, I think I wouldn't be so flighty, though I do not know what use me standing my ground could provide since it could delay the inevitable from happening to the other person. :(

No place for Heros in the UK.
 
If anyone evry threatened me I just do what they say and run if I think they might do something to me anyway. No pint in risking it.

If you do stick around pull own your pants and see what happens. They'll probably be the one who'll start running! Although if that backfires you're most probably in for a right pumping. :(
 
Spacky said:
HOWEVER, if I was with a loved one and the thing between them and the knife was me, I think I wouldn't be so flighty, though I do not know what use me standing my ground could provide since it could delay the inevitable from happening to the other person. :(

Very good point.
My wife had a major spinal problem rectified by serious surgery when she was a kid, and this would get in the way of being able to make a quick escape herself, especially over a decent distance. In the event that we were put in a situation where we were confronted by a nutter I would do whatever I could to calm the "attacker" down, including kissing his grubby feet if need be. If that failed, i'd send MrsD on her toes and try my best to do whatever I can to give her some time to get away. Obviously, this would probably lead to me getting carved up pretty nicely, but my wife is more important to me.
 
I've never been in this type of situation so I really don't know what I'd do. Most of us like to think we'd do something but I think we'd more than likely get out of there.

I was however there when somebody pulled a knife on my mate at school many years ago. The knife guy was unconcious on the floor before he even had time to utter a word :p
 
I agree with you 100%. I have actualy been faced with a knife before. I was only about 14 or so. I walked into a bush just to go for a **** and two chavs followed me and asked me what I was doing.... I said I was going to the toilet. When I finished and tried to walk out of the bushes they stopped me, pulled out a 6" knife and asked for my money and phone and they asked if I have any 'weed'. I obviously gave them my money and phone and they searched me for weed, amazingly, they missed the can of Lynx deodorant and pack of 20 fags in my back pockets (dumb chavs). I never reported it in the end because I knew my parents probably would have never let me out again. 3 weeks after this happened, I saw these two idiots walking in a village next to mine, and I know where they live. :D I will get my revenge one day.
 
As many people here it would depend on the situation.
On my own, against someone who looked dangerous I think I'd probably end up running, despite my pride.
On my own against someone who doesn't look like hen would actually stab me, I'd try and talk him out of with running like the wind as a backup if he makes a lunge at me.
If it was me stood between the person with the knife, and my missus on the other side, I'd do all I could to make sure she was safe. The worrying thing is I'd be paranoid about her not running when I say.

I just hope I never get put into a situation like this.
 
Having never been in that situation (touch wood) I can't really think what I'd do. I've only ever been in one scrap in my life and even then it was adrelanine fueled and wasn't really thinking. I honestly would be frightened probably - not of dying really, but of the sorrow and sadness that would cause, the pain for others, and the pain to myself if I don't die and end up being crippled. Without wanting to sound like a wimp, I'd probably try and scarper. If I was held by other thugs then I'd try and liase with them and give them what they want. If they were going to "do me in" regardless I'd try my damnedest to defend myself. However until you get into that situation you just can't tell.

Personally I think life's too short to be a hero and knifes are SO SO dangerous. Heck, I worked at a butchers for a few months when I was younger, I know what a knife can do. I'll gladly admit to being a wimp in this case.

Unless I had a long range weapon of some kind i.e. a squash raquet or something like that I wouldn't even entertain the idea of one-on-one combat. I would be constantly thinking/worried "what if he throws it at me" if I turn and run though.

Obviously the scenario changes a bit if you're parents/family/friends/wife etc.. are being aggressed - but once again, what do you do? Personally I'd plead with the person and offer them what they wanted as long as they left that person alone. I wouldn't do anything to antagonise them or make them do something foolish.

I may seek revenge in otherways once the event is over (and I don't mean necessarily physically) - but more proably I'd get over it and try and move on.

This along with petty gun crimes scare me more than anything as it's so easy to take someone's life in a split second.

Great eye opening post Lowe - hopefully some people will take it in and stop thinking they are james bond or stuck in a movie where you can walk fine after being stabbed or shot in the leg.
 
Freefaller said:
Unless I had a long range weapon of some kind i.e. a squash raquet or something like that I wouldn't even entertain the idea of one-on-one combat. I would be constantly thinking/worried "what if he throws it at me" if I turn and run though.

A long range weapon? Hmm.. We really need to see the second vid here Dolph! :D

The problem with long range weapons Freefaller is that for the movement needed to strike is a telegraph. For you to hit me with a squash racket hard enough to stop me stabbing you, you've first got to swing it back. In the time you've swung it back, I've slashed your throat or arm if you react to block it. It's really that simple.

If you're too far away for me to make up the distance and attack, your attack with the racket will be ineffective.

The second video makes this quite clear by showing the distance required with a gun. It's an amazing 21 foot or there abouts to give suficient reaction time to deliver a shot that will stop someone with a blade from hacking you up. A baseball bat or similar wouldn't be far off that, in which case you're too far away to do any damage back...

Like the guy in the first video says: Run/Hide/Fly!
 
good point of cornwall - low crime levels (I've not heard of any murders etc down here for AGES now, not since some numpty went mad with a shotgun about 3 years back)
are things realy that bad up country?
 
Been thinking quite a bit about this lately, what with all the knife related crime in the press, and my own personal situation - two weeks I almost got mugged at a cashpoint, indeed I am certain I would have done were it not for the police car which pulled up just down the road at the time, presumably in the direction the muggers would have fled in. Two hours later some other guy was mugged at the same place by assailants matching the description, at knifepoint.

Recently I've started working at Halfords in Wolverhampton, now the store here is in a really pretty dodgy area, on the 5 ways island near Bushbury (itself a bit rough, to put it mildly) but also near this run down industrial estate where a lot of homeless druggies live - the area is somewhat notorious for it. Of the 4 lads I work with on a Tuesday at the store, 2 of them say they've been threatened with knives when challenging shoplifters just outside the store :/.

Nobody expects us to get stabbed for the sake of the job mind you, but equally letting people go unchallenged when they try to steal things is considered a bit off too, given how blatant some of them are - just walking in, grabbing two bikes and trying to carry them out, is fairly typical of how blatant the thieves are and turning the other cheek completely isn't an option when its that obvious. If it comes to it though, I'll leg it! Nobody seriously expects anything other than a token effort to try and stop the thieves.
 
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I saw the vid. Unfortunately it's not suitable despite being really enlightening.

I ommited to add, if I was actually *skillfull* with a long range weapon.. but who do you know that walks around with a staff anyway? :p You have to bear in mind though the knife wielder might be completely cackhanded too.

As I said though I wouldn't do anything really. If I was a ninja with skills I might be able to pary or block enough strikes to let me run away - but I'm not, I'm not going to fool myself or you into thinking I could. I did my military training in France and I know how quickly and how devastating knives can be, or how slow it can be to draw a gun to shoot someone.

Don't worry Andy - I won't be being a hero any time soon.
 
To be honest if I was held at knifepoint by a guy who knew what he was doing, I would make a run for it. But generally it would depend on the circumstances, if it was a puny 15yr old and he was shaking, I would go along with it until I seen an opportunity to knock him out. If I was with my granny, or younger brothers or sister, I would feel more inclined to try and knock the guy out because running would not be an option. I know quite a few people who have studied martial arts and they all say that they would rather face someone with a gun than a knife. I hope I never face the situation, but with the rise in knife crime, it's nearly inevitable. :(
 
I would run if I had to, provided I was not able to give them what they needed. I would not even consider fighting back, as though there is always a possibility that on a one on one situation I could win. That is rarely the case, and seriously its not worth the risk. In my local area there has been a lot of murders recently, I believe it is approximately one a month at the moment!

This thread is making a very valid point which I dont think I would have given any second thought normally, but seriously I know a lot of people who would try to be the hero in this situation and its scary. I believe what makes the human race so advanced is the fight or flight instinct. People need to listen to their instincts more often i think though.
 
Sepheh said:
I would run if I had to, provided I was not able to give them what they needed. I would not even consider fighting back, as though there is always a possibility that on a one on one situation I could win. That is rarely the case, and seriously its not worth the risk. In my local area there has been a lot of murders recently, I believe it is approximately one a month at the moment!

This thread is making a very valid point which I dont think I would have given any second thought normally, but seriously I know a lot of people who would try to be the hero in this situation and its scary. I believe what makes the human race so advanced is the fight or flight instinct. People need to listen to their instincts more often i think though.

peoples instinct is to either run (I'm not a good runner) or try and face down the oponent.
its always better to avoid a conflict tbh
 
This leads us nicely into another facet of the problem.

Who's more dangerous - the knife fighting expert or the shakey kid who's nervous?
 
Nice to see a sensible post on this.

I am a reasonably well built bloke and have managed to avoid any fights since sixth form by being reasonable and talking my way out of problems.

The easiest way of dealing with this situation in my book is to keep your eyes open when you are out and about. If I see someone that looks like they are going to be aggressive when I'm out I simply dont go near them!

That being said I have done a little martial training and would try and get away every single time if I was on my own and did get cornered by someone with a blade, I wouldn't worry about talking or anything else but running. If I was with the other half then I would try and talk them down or just attack the moment I saw a knife in the hope that I could hurt them enough before they could draw it so that she could get away.

[edit] As for the pro or the idiot... I'd probably say the drug up/going through withdrawl idiot is the most dangerous everytime. They either arn't going to feel it when you hurt them... or are so desperate they are never going to be reasonable.

And lets face it do you know any one with martial training likely to pull a knife on a stranger in the street. The only training I have done means I would never willingly hit someone let alone pull a blade on them for fear of putting them in hospital or worse.
 
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Lowe said:
This leads us nicely into another facet of the problem.

Who's more dangerous - the knife fighting expert or the shakey kid who's nervous?

I'd say the knife fighting expert because he'd know exactly where to stab you if you went for him. The shakey kid would be unpredictable, but I'd much rather face someone like him than the expert.
 
Lowe said:
This leads us nicely into another facet of the problem.

Who's more dangerous - the knife fighting expert or the shakey kid who's nervous?

Interesting point, shockingly enough I would say the potential of the shakey kid is probably more dangerous. When someone is backed into a corner they are capable of extraordinary things, its a struggle to control the reactions of this person who has been pushed over the edge.
 
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