Lad breaks into a house and is killed...

Child crime rates for instance are not personal, things like this aren't opinion, they're hard statistics.

The correlation isn't really for corporal punishment and crime, it's the creation of the welfare state and crime.

Crime started rising significantly in 1954, following the creation and implementation of the welfare state in the 1950s.

http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/rp99/rp99-111.pdf (page 14, crime figures)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_State

When responsibility is moved from people to the state, people lose personal responsibility for their attitude, behaviour and so on.

The welfare state in the UK has also succeeded in creating an underclass of dependancy that is very difficult to escape from, and has encouraged both reliance on the state and a lack of personal responsibility among those who expect the state to take care of them, however they behave and however much drag they have on the rest of the population.
 
Of course i dont have evidence, its never been tried, however i suppose a small comparison at best would be, being shot for desertion. It worked to a degree, and that was getting people to risk their lives, all im asking is that you dont steal, so really your much more likely to do it.

But the death penalty has been tried before, surely if it worked as a deterrant generally then we'd see a lower incidence of the crimes that it can be sanctioned for?

Your suggestion still also fails the test of proportionality.
 
Just an FYI..
Corporal punishment is still practiced in korea and they are the most well behaved and respectful kids ive ever seen in my life..

Obviously there are other factors in play...but corporal punishment is a positive in my view.
 
The lad did not deserve to die however he took the risk and paid the price. There should be no legal action against anyone defending their home or family where someone is trying to burgle your house.
 
The lad did not deserve to die however he took the risk and paid the price. There should be no legal action against anyone defending their home or family where someone is trying to burgle your house.

There already isn't action taken against those defending themselves/their family.

The issues come when people try to give out vigilantee justice and claim it is self defence...
 
If the person is on your property it is not vigilante, as they are still an "invader"

You mean a trespasser. As said before, one tort does not excuse a subsequent tort. As Dolph implied, if reasonable force is used to deal with a trespasser, that is not a tort.
 
You mean a trespasser. As said before, one tort does not excuse a subsequent tort. As Dolph implied, if reasonable force is used to deal with a trespasser, that is not a tort.

No I mean an invader, because I think we were dealing with houses rather than land here and as such they are a house invader :D

Either way, they should not be there and I think it is perfectly reasonable to stab/shoot/kick/punch them if they are there even if they are running away - because by running away they are in fact committing an EXTRA crime - fleeing the scene of a crime :D
 
Surely it's the intent that causes the problem. If you stab a burglar 30 times in the face and neck then you're going to get done no matter what. However, what if you were to clock the scrote over the head with a something that's easily at hand, like say a rolling pin, and he drops dead on the spot?
 
No I mean an invader, because I think we were dealing with houses rather than land here and as such they are a house invader :D

Either way, they should not be there and I think it is perfectly reasonable to stab/shoot/kick/punch them if they are there even if they are running away - because by running away they are in fact committing an EXTRA crime - fleeing the scene of a crime :D

Fortunately, the law is far more mature about the matter. When they are running away, you are defending nothing, so the self defence exception doesn't apply. Instead, you're just a criminal... so we can all beat you now :D
 
Surely it's the intent that causes the problem. If you stab a burglar 30 times in the face and neck then you're going to get done no matter what. However, what if you were to clock the scrote over the head with a something that's easily at hand, like say a rolling pin, and he drops dead on the spot?

Then he would be liable for manslaughter I imagine, if the action was not in self defence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull

The eggshell skull rule (or thin-skull rule) is a legal doctrine used in both tort law and criminal law that holds an individual liable for all consequences resulting from his or her activities leading to an injury to another person, even if the victim suffers an unusually high level of damage (e.g. due to a pre-existing vulnerability or medical condition). The term implies that if a person had a skull as delicate as the shell of an egg, and a tortfeasor or assailant who did not know of that condition were to hit that person on the head, causing the skull unexpectedly to break, the responsible party would be held liable for all damages resulting from the wrongful contact, even though they were not foreseeable. The general maxim is that defendants must "take their victims as they find them", a quotation from the judgment of Lawton LJ in the criminal case of R v. Blaue.

The doctrine is applied in all areas of torts - intentional torts, negligence, and strict liability cases - as well as in criminal law. There is no requirement of physical contact with the victim - if a trespasser's wrongful presence on the victim's property so terrifies the victim that he has a fatal heart attack, the trespasser will be liable for the damages stemming from his original tort. The foundation for this rule is based primarily on policy grounds. The courts do not want the accused to rely on the victim's own vulnerability to avoid liability.

The case of Smith v. Leech Brain & Co., [1962] 2 QB 405, illustrated this rule. An employee in a factory was splashed with molten metal. The metal burned him on his lip, which happened to be premalignant tissue. He developed cancer and died. The defence argued that while the burn was foreseeable, the cancer was not. However, the judges dismissed this, holding that as long as the initial injury was foreseeable, the defendant was liable for all the harm.

In 1891, the Wisconsin Supreme Court came to a similar result in Vosburg v. Putney, 80 Wis. 523, 50 N.W. 403 (Wis., 1891) (reversed and remanded for a new trial on other grounds). In that case, an 11 year old boy kicked a 14 year-old boy in the shin while at school. It turned out that the 14 year-old was recovering from a previous injury. The kick resulted in the boy entirely losing the use of his leg. No one could have predicted the level of injury before the kicking. Nevertheless, the court found that since the kicking was unlawful, and as it occurred during school and not on the playground, the 11 year-old boy was liable for the injury.
 
Surely it's the intent that causes the problem. If you stab a burglar 30 times in the face and neck then you're going to get done no matter what. However, what if you were to clock the scrote over the head with a something that's easily at hand, like say a rolling pin, and he drops dead on the spot?

Even that's not that clear cut. If I was facing someone with a knife, got stabbed myself and therefore stabbed him repeatedly until I was sure he couldn't hurt me any more, it is likely still self defence, provided a reasonable person would have done the same (and at that point, it is, you have an absolute and genuine fear for your life)

Clocking an intruder once with a rolling pin is also likely to be fine, provided there was no evidence of premeditation and was a reasonable response to the percieved threat level.
 
Fortunately, the law is far more mature about the matter. When they are running away, you are defending nothing, so the self defence exception doesn't apply. Instead, you're just a criminal... so we can all beat you now :D

You are defending your property, the fact that they are running away does not change the fact that they are STILL on your property and as such can still cause damage to it.
 
National service for anyone 40 and below if you ask me, ideally with some conflict involving trenches and gas. It would make this site a lot quieter mind but at least us oldens could get a word in! :D
 
National service for anyone 40 and below if you ask me, ideally with some conflict involving trenches and gas. It would make this site a lot quieter mind but at least us oldens could get a word in! :D

Superb suggestion; maybe get anyone convicted a third time to become a mine detector with big heavy boots. ...... I love it when a plan comes together! :D
 
You are defending your property, the fact that they are running away does not change the fact that they are STILL on your property and as such can still cause damage to it.

So if someone makes an error in trespassing and tries to rectify their error by moving off your property then you should still be entitled to do anything you want to them?

I believe you are looking for absolutes here when none actually exist, the situation is and should be judged on the specifics of each individual case rather than a blanket 'once on your property they are your property' type approach.
 
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