Large potential terrorism event avoided

Glad the Anti-terrorist Police nipped it in the bud, there is no place for this in modern society..
 
Looking up other recent terrorist plots it's interesting how many you just never hear anything about, this one with such a wide organisation aiming to kill people at such a large event must be one of the biggest.

E.g. https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...on-of-premises-act-2025-overarching-factsheet says that there were 43 late stage plots disrupted between 2017 and 2025, I only remember hearing about a handful - imagine the majority are just never reported on at all.

Given this is a high profile investigation I wonder if there's been some real time learning about police comms from the Widdecombe case. I think everyone accepts that investigation is ongoing and we might not hear much about the results for some time - might have saved a lot of confusion / speculation if that investigation had taken a similar approach.
 
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mattyfez said:
I think religion should just cease to be recognised by the government.

All religious buildings, churches, mosques, etc nationalised via CPOs and tuned into sustainable housing and other useful things.

There's just no room for religion in modern society.
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Most, if not all Governments use religion to gain votes or power. So this would never happen.
 
GreatAuk said:
Looking up other recent terrorist plots it's interesting how many you just never hear anything about, this one with such a wide organisation aiming to kill people at such a large event must be one of the biggest.

E.g. https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...on-of-premises-act-2025-overarching-factsheet says that there were 43 late stage plots disrupted between 2017 and 2025, I only remember hearing about a handful - imagine the majority are just never reported on at all.

Given this is a high profile investigation I wonder if there's been some real time learning about police comms from the Widdecombe case. I think everyone accepts that investigation is ongoing and we might not hear much about the results for some time - might have saved a lot of confusion / speculation if that investigation had taken a similar approach.
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Interesting.

Could also be why many countries (us included) have far right extremism as a higher terrorism threat than anything else and yet public perception is different.
Maybe the far right are just a bit thick and get caught far more often/easier (in general), like this case.

Luckily despite some peoples perceptions and social media puke the UK is still very safe.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Interesting.

Could also be why many countries (us included) have far right extremism as a higher terrorism threat than anything else and yet public perception is different.
Maybe the far right are just a bit thick and get caught far more often/easier (in general), like this case.

Luckily despite some peoples perceptions and social media puke the UK is still very safe.
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Islamist terrorism is the most significant terrorist threat to the UK by volume.
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I know the media did the rounds with the 'far right' are the fastest growing terrorist threat to the country, but that's just playing with Stats..

Not that I would want to diminish anything the extremists on the right do its abhorrent and needs sorting..
 
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Resident said:
The UK Ljima:

An event authorised by the Mid Suffolk District Council alongside Suffolk Police, Suffolk Fire and Rescue, Environmental Health and the directors of Shrubland Estate from whom the land was leased.

An event banned in many countries including Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

Country’s citing their reasons:-

Banned having been called a gateway to terrorism.

Banned because of its secret activities and rigid teaching deemed a danger to society.

Banned because of its linked to terrorism, extremist ideology and national security concerns.

Concerns expressed about aspects of its organisation, teachings, or the potential for its gatherings to be exploited by extremist recruiters.

So I'd agree with @throwaway4372, why such an event is allowed to take place when it's banned in many countries, mainly ones of the Islamic faith, have banned it due to significant, credible links to terrorism. The UK event is said to have had 15,000 attendees, that's 15,000 potential terrorists right here on UK soil.
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Natives on x are a bigger problem I'm afraid.


Demon said:


I know the media did the rounds with the 'far right' are the fastest growing terrorist threat to the country, but that's just playing with Stats..

Not that I would want to diminish anything the extremists on the right do its abhorrent and needs sorting..
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Don't let misunderstanding basic statistical concepts get in the way of calling your political opposition thick!
 
a lot of false information in this thread regarding Tablighi Jamaat, there main aim is to target non practising muslims and bring them back to practise Islam such as praying daily. They may be "cult" like as they like to encourage members to seperate from peoples who hinder them in praying there salah or to cut off family members who are more liberal or of a different islamic persuasion.

They are not extremists though nor do they encourage terrorism, its hilarious that they are banned by Saudia Arabia as that country spreads Salafi/Wahabi dua to the wider muslim world and most terrorists come from that salafi background.

They are not banned in Pakistan, that is blatantly false. It's banned in Iran due to them being Shia, who are always at odds with Sunnis. And its banned in central asian countries due to there authoritarian regimes who sniff out and ban anything vaguely Islamic.
 
Demon said:


I know the media did the rounds with the 'far right' are the fastest growing terrorist threat to the country, but that's just playing with Stats..

Not that I would want to diminish anything the extremists on the right do its abhorrent and needs sorting..
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Problem is people conflate threat TO the UK (which is what your linking to) with threat IN the UK

Ie conflating total terrorism risk with domestic terrorism risk.

Obviously of course also this fluctuates, the current middle east tensions caused by Israel and the US will increase the more middle eastern associated risks right now*, whilst an event happening on UK soil increases (generally) the right wing
The current threat level of Islamist may be higher due to this but that is a recent change and would probably expect it to revert over time once the genocide Israel are currently undertaking subsides

* which recently caused the UK threat level to be increased
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Problem is people conflate threat TO the UK (which is what your linking to) with threat IN the UK

Ie conflating total terrorism risk with domestic terrorism risk.

Obviously of course also this fluctuates, the current middle east tensions caused by Israel and the US will increase the more middle eastern associated risks right now*, whilst an event happening on UK soil increases (generally) the right wing
The current threat level of Islamist may be higher due to this but that is a recent change and would probably expect it to revert over time once the genocide Israel are currently undertaking subsides

* which recently caused the UK threat level to be increased
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I don't agree, when it comes to MI5 they cover both, but obviously the umbrella terms is "TO" , but that includes 'IN", I don't think MI5 are playing fast and loose with the wording to downplay ERWT...

i.e. you mention the UK threat level being increased due to external factors, but reading the actual message:
It states why the increase of level and it's all internal:
This change follows the stabbings in Golders Green on 29 April, although it is not solely a result of that attack. The UK has been experiencing a gradual increase in terrorist threats for some time. This has been driven by a rise in both Islamist and Extreme Right-Wing terrorist threat from individuals and small groups in the UK.
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And in that same report they reiterate that ERWT is on the rise but still not the primary threat to the UK:
Whilst Islamist Terrorism remains the primary threat to the UK, Extreme Right-Wing Terrorism (ERWT) has been on a steadily rising trajectory.
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This is where the media ran with the ERWT thing and people started misinterpreting it to boast how Right Wing terrorism is the biggest threat..
 
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Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
TBH I don't think we should be making jokes about actual or potential terrorism even if the terrorism was right wing related

"CTP confirmed the investigation was "right-wing terrorism related""

Some round here would lose their minds, in fact they did in the Ann W thread if it was a right winger being targeted.
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You heard it here first, jokes only allowed when the terrorism is left wing driven.
 
Demon said:
I don't agree, when it comes to MI5 they cover both, but obviously the umbrella terms is "TO" , but that includes 'IN", I don't think MI5 are playing fast and loose with the wording to downplay ERWT...

i.e. you mention the UK threat level being increased due to external factors, but reading the actual message:
It states why the increase of level and it's all internal:


And in that same report they reiterate that ERWT is on the rise but still not the primary threat to the UK:


This is where the media ran with the ERWT thing and people started misinterpreting it to boast how Right Wing terrorism is the biggest threat..
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You misunderstand what I am saying, I am not saying the increase was due to external threats but that the external events are driving the risk in the UK.
This is multi pronged and world events affect it not just for Brits abroad, but for brits in the UK.

It wasn't the media running with a misinterpreted right wing is that largest threat, it was MI5 at the time saying that.
As I said it changes, when events like Israel/Iran are ongoing it promotes the risk in people that are sympathetic to that cause.
 
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You heard it here first, jokes only allowed when the terrorism is left wing driven.
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You've kind of missed the point, but understand the grief. The double standards around race, religion and politics are stark. I can easily see why this stuff can consume peoples minds and make them ripe for radicalisation, self or otherwise.

I have more thoughts on this, but would take the thread way off topic. I'm (self imposed) banned form SC** for this very reason. It's infuriating how inconsistent society is when dishing out moral judgement on groups from all flavours of ideology - to the point where I genuinely feel SCARED to air my political views for fear of social ostracisation, employment risks and the associated financial ruin, I am forced to comply through silence other than at the ballot box.

I am not saying these idiots that are going around doing whatever to "expose" this event are OK doing what they are doing, clearly they should not (it's not their ****ing job for a start, and secondly it's just going to stir up more division), but I understand why they do it.

**don't post of any social media since the 2015 election either, that's when I noticed it turning really nasty and felt the danger from all sides.
 
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I think religious on religious attacks should be declassified as terrorism and encouraged in open air colloseum/hippodrome tournaments and UFC cage matches.

Just adding my 2 euro cents.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
Wait till you find out Islam is as "right wing" as the right wing boogymen that keep you up at night!

How ever will you cope!
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Islam isn't right wing, its neither really
Yes it has elements of traditionalism but its also very social
NVM, a quick google throws up a better description than I can be bothered to type, and btw I am right leaning but thats economically as opposed to on eg immigration, I am just not as right as many

"Islam does not fit neatly into a "left-wing" or "right-wing" political binary, as its teachings span a spectrum of social, economic, and political values. While it emphasizes traditionalism and religious conservatism, it also promotes strong social welfare, charity, and egalitarianism."
 
Anyway, back on topic before the thread gets nuked.
There's been reports (no idea if true) that some of the drone pilots have been released without charge.
 
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