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stoofa said:
Well you can in that little film.
The key wording has always been "If your exit is clear".
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No, it says

"However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right."

"You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right"


Nothing about if your exit is clear. Neither was true in that film.
 
whitecrook said:
OK thanks. So could you clear up on the MUST NOT enter unless exit is clear ? Since accordingly above, If I enter, but my exit is not clear, but I keep moving (i.e. do not stop) and successfully clear the box (the vehicle in front cleared it so I could too, for example) , is that an offence ? It doesn't look like it to me, although the hwaycode says MUST NOT that actual law above does not say that?
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This is why the highway code isn't law, but it does have some weight attached to it. Could you be prosecuted for entering a box and not stopping? No. Could you be prosecuted for entering a box where your exit is clear but where the exit was subsequently blocked? Yes. The offence is stopping in the box, strictly speaking. Go with what the statute says, not what the highway code says.
 
whitecrook said:
No, it says

"However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right."

"You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right"


Nothing about if your exit is clear. Neither was true in that film.
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Transcript from the video:

0:09 - ....but if you want to turn right you can wait on the box while oncoming traffic passes or turns, provided your way out to the right is clear.
0:017 - .....if that exit is blocked you must wait outside the box

How is that NOT "You may not enter the box unless your exit is clear"?
 
stoofa said:
Transcript from the video:

0:09 - ....but if you want to turn right you can wait on the box while oncoming traffic passes or turns, provided your way out to the right is clear.
0:017 - .....if that exit is blocked you must wait outside the box

How is that NOT "You may not enter the box unless your exit is clear"?
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"You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right"

So the 'however' in this case does not negate the previous clause then ?? It basically means, 'but'

however | haʊˈɛvə | adverb1 used to introduce a statement that contrasts with or seems to contradict something that has been said previously


I read it as you must not enter the box until your exit is clear, UNLESS/BUT you may enter the box and wait if you're turning right. Otherwise it would say 'EVEN IF, instead of HOWEVER' ?

in fact, if this is the case why even bother with second part of sentence ? at all times must not enter box if exit is not clear. No, if's, buts' or howevers.


in case we have crossed wires here:
How is that NOT "You may not enter the box unless your exit is clear"?
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My point that the video says something different ot today. Today you MAY enter the box if you are turning right.
 
Semple said:
It makes perfect sense really. We have a lot of those box junctions up here, and people are always getting caught out because a queue of cars has built up and the next set of lights hasn't yet changed meaning the queue doesn't move. The lights then change on this box junction but cars on the alternate side can't go anywhere because this one car is now stuck in the box.
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In that case yes totally. But its 3am your following another car and you need to either back off to allow sufficient room so you dont enter the box junction until the 1st car is clear or you have to stop until he is clear.
 
Scania said:
Biggest problem with the Highway Code from what I see each day on my travels is nobody reads it….
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On a speed awareness course they told us, On average there are 18 changes to the HC every year. So thats about 350 changes since I last read it.............
 
whitecrook said:
My point that the video says something different ot today. Today you MAY enter the box if you are turning right.
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yes the video is out of date and doesn't match the the current rule - which doesn't say the exit must be clear if you are going right into oncoming traffic;
- unless there has, also been an update to the english language
 
mattyg said:
On a speed awareness course they told us, On average there are 18 changes to the HC every year. So thats about 350 changes since I last read it.............
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And **** reading it every year. Most of it is common sense, which many people lack and shouldnt be on the road anyway.
 
agree it's common sense - seems 2022 is when the new cyclist etc. updates will come in, with accompanying tv advertising - had hoped it was sooner - don't remember any advertising before.?

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