Latest version of the Denuvo anti-tamper tech cracked in less than five days

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Nothing will ever be uncrackable. They would be much better off avoiding the use of DRM full stop, they hurt the people who buy the games and do nothing to stop piracy, infact they encourage it. How many people do you know who pirate games to avoid having horrible DRM on their system, when they'd otherwise pay for it? I know quite a few.
 
People that pirate would never buy the game, it's no lost business.

They just shouldn't bother and put the effort into other areas.
 
Neil79 said:
Wasn't Denuvo supposed to be uncrackable?
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Nope, atleast Denuvo has never claimed that.

Another myth surrounding the Anti-Tamper technology is that Denuvo called it "uncrackable", which it didn't. "Some press releases call our Anti-Tamper solution 'uncrackable'," the company explained, "[but] we are long enough in this business to have a more realistic view."
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Omaeka said:
Nothing will ever be uncrackable. They would be much better off avoiding the use of DRM full stop, they hurt the people who buy the games and do nothing to stop piracy, infact they encourage it. How many people do you know who pirate games to avoid having horrible DRM on their system, when they'd otherwise pay for it? I know quite a few.
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Lots of games use denovo and lately none of the DRM has caused me a problem. More to the point, denovo games include many that have failed to be cracked so far. It is most certainly working as lots of people are simply unable to play the game unless they buy it which is the goal.

Steam is effectively always on DRM, the offline mode works for some, entirely fails to work for others, being such a crap shoot it's effectively always on DRM and even then it's poor because lots of Steam but no or weak secondary DRM are cracked.

The reality the people Denuvo effects is 99.9% pirates and extreme few genuine users.

Most other DRM has been nearly useless to date, Denuvo has been extremely effective. Even those games that were cracked, most of them came a significant time after launch. AFAIK 5 days is by a very large margin the quickest a Denuvo game has been cracked.

I'm anti DRM, I'm anti increasing game prices, I'm against anti-consumer practices, but lets not make up junk about how DRM has a major effect on genuine buyers. An effect, sure, there has been the odd release of various DRM(maybe even a few early Denuvo games) which caused problems, but that is really no different to a game being unstable on release. The general nature of DRM over the past 20 years of gaming has been to have almost zero effect on my gaming.
 
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Neil79 said:
http://www.dsogaming.com/news/resid...tech-has-been-cracked-in-less-than-five-days/

Wasn't Denuvo supposed to be uncrackable?
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Denuvo is not an anti-piracy tool per se, it's an anti-tamper tool. My understanding is that it encrypts and obfuscates the executable on disk and when in use, so it's very hard to disasemble and crack the game. It's hard enough that it can only be done long after the majority of sales have been made soon after launch. Denuvo is designed as a delaying tactic, rather than claiming to be uncrackable.

I would guess that either another loophole has been found in Denuvo, or crackers now have enough familiarity that they've written tools to get a game cracked much more efficiently and quickly.

As with every system, it works well in the beginning, but by setting itself up as a new challenge, crackers will vy to be the first to defeat it.
 
AHarvey said:
People that pirate would never buy the game, it's no lost business.

They just shouldn't bother and put the effort into other areas.
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I dunno - it isn't quite like music and movies, etc. where convenience and the lag time for stuff to become legally available digitally drives a lot of piracy from people who would otherwise pay but I think there is still a good proportion who could be converted into paying customers.
 
Its not about being uncrackable. Its about being uncrackable for as long as possible so those that really want the game buy it and not pirate it. Its a time thing.
 
AHarvey said:
People that pirate would never buy the game, it's no lost business.

They just shouldn't bother and put the effort into other areas.
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This 100%. Just because they stop people getting it for nothing does not mean they will buy it. Very few will and all this "lost sales" nonsense is just that...nonsense.

The irony is,its the people who have always paid for games that suffer due to DRM should it cause problems
 
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Rroff said:
I dunno - it isn't quite like music and movies, etc. where convenience and the lag time for stuff to become legally available digitally drives a lot of piracy from people who would otherwise pay but I think there is still a good proportion who could be converted into paying customers.
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In my experience,those who have been stropped from pirating games have not gone and bought it instead. Those I know who pirate have basically just stuck to playing a couple of games now instead of playing all the new releases. I think they only played so many games because they were free and they were not lost sales as they would never of payed to play them
 
I never understood why people refuse too buy games with these technologies inside? If it wasn't for this news about RE7 being cracked I would never have known about it using Denuvo

And too say releasing a game without any form of protection would increase sales is madness. This is what cheapskate pirates would love.
 
Blackjack Davy said:
Yeah, like consoles. They're uncrackable without a lot of hassle, that and the fact they're a captive audience and can bleed them dry of cash at the same time. Right?
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I'm not sure what you're getting at, I'm sure there is a point in there somewhere but we're talking about PC games..

Rroff said:
I dunno - it isn't quite like music and movies, etc. where convenience and the lag time for stuff to become legally available digitally drives a lot of piracy from people who would otherwise pay but I think there is still a good proportion who could be converted into paying customers.
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Other than lowering prices I'm not sure what else they can do. most things that come with games can be downloaded along with the game itself. I just don't see why they punish legitimate owners.

TheVoice said:
What other areas? The implementation of Denuvo won't have had any real effect on the development of the actual game.
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Diablo3 for instance, I remember the game being downloadable from torrent sites but it couldn't be cracked or played, not sure if that's changed. Online content systems like that to encourage more people to own the game. There has to be a better way of doing it.
 
shankly1985 said:
And too say releasing a game without any form of protection would increase sales is madness. This is what cheapskate pirates would love.
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releasing games with protection doesn't seem to be stopping them either ;)

I don't think it would increase sales, but legitimate owners can get a lot of issues with DRM that those cheapskate pirates can't.
 
Omaeka said:
Nothing will ever be uncrackable. They would be much better off avoiding the use of DRM full stop, they hurt the people who buy the games and do nothing to stop piracy, infact they encourage it. How many people do you know who pirate games to avoid having horrible DRM on their system, when they'd otherwise pay for it? I know quite a few.
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You say that (mostly I agree) but as I understand it since the days of DVD jon, physical video media has got a lot tougher on that front.
 
shankly1985 said:
I never understood why people refuse too buy games with these technologies inside? If it wasn't for this news about RE7 being cracked I would never have known about it using Denuvo

And too say releasing a game without any form of protection would increase sales is madness. This is what cheapskate pirates would love.
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Didnt shadow warriors 2 do just this?
 
AHarvey said:
releasing games with protection doesn't seem to be stopping them either ;)

I don't think it would increase sales, but legitimate owners can get a lot of issues with DRM that those cheapskate pirates can't.
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What issues though? I keep hearing this all the time about Denuvo. Resident evil ran excellent and am sure I have played other games using this software.

Pirates making up excuses is all am seeing :D
 
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