Laughing teens film disabled man drowning instead of helping him

Nasher · 21 Jul 2017 at 14:22

AFAIK there is a law, failure to act or something. Maybe not in the US though (which is where this is). Doing nothing except filming it is extremely scummy.

But it looks like a lake in a rural area, probably no lifeguards around. Going in to try and help isn't a smart idea unless your a strong swimmer. It's like falling in to the water in Venice, good luck because no one is coming in to rescue you.

Quartz · 21 Jul 2017 at 14:29

StriderX said:
i mean it's literally the purpose of capitalism to care about yourself above everything else

No, it isn't.

jsmoke · 21 Jul 2017 at 14:29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law

Need to get whole story, how far was he out etc, did they have any credit in thier phones etc, can mobile over there call the police without credit, did they know that etc.

G-MAN2004 · 21 Jul 2017 at 14:30

I find this sort of stuff crazy when it's just one person, but to find a group of them that all act the same way when they see a person in distress is just mind blowing. Absolute scumbags.

StriderX · 21 Jul 2017 at 14:31

Quartz said:
No, it isn't.

"an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market"

Private, not communal... tends towards the individual growth vs the communist style failure. Sure you can say you need people to produce your product, but you don't need to be kind to them at all if they have no choice.

Quartz · 21 Jul 2017 at 14:34

But that doesn't mean that you have to care about yourself more than others. It's about choice. In a capitalist system you can choose to use your income however you wish; in a communist one, someone decides for you.

Nasher · 21 Jul 2017 at 14:35

Quartz said:
But that doesn't mean that you have to care about yourself more than others. It's about choice. In a capitalist system you can choose to use your income however you wish; in a communist one, someone decides for you.

So all the tax I pay is voluntary?

StriderX · 21 Jul 2017 at 14:39

Quartz said:
But that doesn't mean that you have to care about yourself more than others. It's about choice. In a capitalist system you can choose to use your income however you wish; in a communist one, someone decides for you.

Sure, but you won't succeed as well as someone willing to forgo all principles/morality to get what they want, it's a rather serious issue when you have socialist aspects in your national infrastructure, as if you aren't succeeding well/at all, then you're wasting everyone else's productive capability.

I can't tell if the 2008 crash changed things for people younger than 30 to see beyond pure wealth accumulation, but i doubt it, so one must work within the system that is seemingly accepted.

ttaskmaster · 21 Jul 2017 at 14:40

DrToffnar said:
Indeed. It's even prevalent amongst those who claim to be profoundly 'libertarian' and 'forward thinking'.

I think the libertarian approach is something along the lines of: helping the drowning guy to realise and come to terms with the fact that he is a victim, empowering him to help himself and putting him on the path the seek retribution from who/whatever has victimised him so...!!

But this is America - If you do anything to help someone, you can probably be sued for it!!

wolfie138 · 21 Jul 2017 at 14:47

Thekwango said:
Sad indictment of societies morals at present. Laugh and mock rather than help.

Sadly as stated in the article there's apparently no crime they can be charged with. Hopefully though, being America the family may be able to peruse some sort of civil case. Bankrupt the little turds and their families.

so you think all the members of the family should be punished and put in hugely difficult financial positions even though they weren't there and had nothing to do w/ the event?

Thekwango · 21 Jul 2017 at 14:47

Rroff said:
I wonder if society is getting worse or whether the internet, etc. has made us more aware of the depth of it within society.

Does it matter? mocking someone for their misfortune, etc. is low.

Good question, are we maybe just seeing it more with mobile phones, social media etc?
I was born in 1975 so grew up, for the most part, before our mobile tech boom. I know my peers and I, while not saints would not have stood idly by in that situation and we certainly would not have been mocking someone in such a dire position.

dekez · 21 Jul 2017 at 14:55

Sadly history is full of people doing terrible things to each other, I'd like to think it is getting better and we are just more aware of incidents such as these because of technology.

Dis86 · 21 Jul 2017 at 14:59

wolfie138 said:
so you think all the members of the family should be punished and put in hugely difficult financial positions even though they weren't there and had nothing to do w/ the event?

Raise your kids to be decent humans then?

StriderX · 21 Jul 2017 at 15:02

Dis86 said:
Raise your kids to be decent humans then?

Why? they wont be rewarded for it. If you aren't teaching your children to be duplicitous, lying, scamming, evil, selfish and what not, surely they will not survive as well in a world purely run by greed.

krooton · 21 Jul 2017 at 15:03

To be fair, I have seen far more videos of people risking their lives to save drowinging animals, so on the whole I think we are better than the scumbags in this particular case.

Dis86 · 21 Jul 2017 at 15:04

StriderX said:
Why? they wont be rewarded for it.

Are you following the thread at all?

Bassmansam · 21 Jul 2017 at 15:09

VincentHanna said:
Shocking. There's a real lack of empathy in people today.

It's highlighted on this very forum sometimes

I agree with you but why do you say today? Like people had more empathy historically?

Dandaman · 21 Jul 2017 at 15:28

I reckon it's just the internet making us more aware, but it's sad, very sad.

Yas786 · 21 Jul 2017 at 15:52

StriderX said:
Why? they wont be rewarded for it. If you aren't teaching your children to be duplicitous, lying, scamming, evil, selfish and what not, surely they will not survive as well in a world purely run by greed.

The **** you on about???

So for every good deed someone does they need to be rewarded for it?? Is that how you see the world?? :facepalm:

How about feeling good that you may have saved another human beings life rather than being a monumental ass by filming it and then laughing when he drowns.

StriderX · 21 Jul 2017 at 16:10

Yas786 said:
The **** you on about???

So for every good deed someone does they need to be rewarded for it?? Is that how you see the world?? :facepalm:

How about feeling good that you may have saved another human beings life rather than being a monumental ass by filming it and then laughing when he drowns.

Well if you don't get rewarded for it, you generally don't do it often... we're animals, it helps that there's something worthwhile at the end of a social contract. But i won't bother discussing the story because it's lacking in information that is vital to discern if the group is really at fault.