LCD/LED vs PLASMA

I have had a panasonic G15 for a number of years, while I was happy with the picture quality, I always thought the motion control was a little off. When viewing the likes of LOTR with its long flowing helicopter shots, i was always conscious of a judder as the picture whirled around. I got myself a larger screen last year, one of the 60" Sharps which is an edge lit LCD and immediately noticed a much smoother picture. if anything it is a bit too smooth, looking more video like than the panny. Yes it does have some backlight bleed, though in normal viewing, it is pretty hard to spot.
All in all, both screens, are very good but personally, I prefer the viewing experience of the Sharp.
 
GT50 has 30ms of input lagg in game mode, therefore the ST60 is not a GT50 in disguise.

the ST60 is even slower than this, BUT this doesn't mean that it's not a screwed up GT50, or even a screwed up ST50.... Because it'll deffo be one of these, but there is a clue....the ST60 has the GT50's bezel/ frame.

whatever the case, the ST 60 is not suitable for online gaming, but it's ok in SP offline mode

The power of marketing buzz words to the clueless general public :/

especially the idiots at Currys, those guys know sod all about tvs

``why do you want a plasma, it's dead technology, an LED is a far better tv``:eek:

the Panny does suffer from motion faults, but not in PC Mode.
 
especially the idiots at Currys, those guys know sod all about tvs

``why do you want a plasma, it's dead technology, an LED is a far better tv``:eek:

The £90 or so HDMI cables they stock are even more annoying. I feel sorry for the people that fall for them. My £3 cable from OcUK is just as good :D
 
especially the idiots at Currys, those guys know sod all about tvs

``why do you want a plasma, it's dead technology, an LED is a far better tv``:eek:

Give it 3 more years and plasma will probably be dead, Even panasonic are cutting the range back, next year they think we will only see 2 models, another year possibly the same or none, it really depends on how well they sell this year.

It also doesnt help as the multiples probably wont be stocking plasmas and only keeping LED tv's.

I had a Panasonic G10 plasma and have upgraded/downgraded to a 47lm620 LG LED, which im very happy with, it does have some light bleed in the corners but its very minimal and on dark films hardly noticeable.

Yes motion isnt as good on some things, but to most its fine,and the input lag for gaming in Pc mode is 31ms according to a review site.
 
Panny's TV sales were fine last year (although not superb or anything) - they are going to phase out plasma yes... but that's because they are fully committed to OLED which is the natural successor.
 
Give it 3 more years and plasma will probably be dead, Even panasonic are cutting the range back, next year they think we will only see 2 models, another year possibly the same or none, it really depends on how well they sell this year.

It also doesnt help as the multiples probably wont be stocking plasmas and only keeping LED tv's.

I had a Panasonic G10 plasma and have upgraded/downgraded to a 47lm620 LG LED, which im very happy with, it does have some light bleed in the corners but its very minimal and on dark films hardly noticeable.

Yes motion isnt as good on some things, but to most its fine,and the input lag for gaming in Pc mode is 31ms according to a review site.

yes but you're buying for today and right now Panny is the best, OLED is some time off, at least 2 years from now, i'd rather have the best now and the best in 2 years time.

pannys biggest problem is they dont advertise their tvs anymore, so the general public dont even know they exist... joe average goes straight to Currys and buys a Smart LED, just because he thinks it looks trendy and gives him street cred, just like his Krappy Smart Phone.

panasonic are in trouble..... yea without advertising they will be, plus tv sales are low anyway; for lots of reasons.

Panny's TV sales were fine last year (although not superb or anything) - they are going to phase out plasma yes... but that's because they are fully committed to OLED which is the natural successor.

yes, but joe average wont buy OLED at 5 to 10 thousand quid, so selling OLED is going to be a real problem, expect sales to be low; unless the price is low....sales will be like now, but deffo not like when HD TV first came out 7 years ago... everyone switched, but not now, everyone is making do with what they've got.

the boom for HD TV is therefore over, it's tailing out, it's only really for us lot, you might therefore still see Plasma tv, i expect Panny will keep selling top quality plasmas, but dump their LED instead.

Panny probably make enough money just selling their plasmas to us fans, there must be loads of panasonic fans like me around the country, AV Forum is full of us lot, these new pannys are really popular...and they're really big in Europe too !!!!!

it's therefore easy for them to make just a few high quality plasmas that all sell out, rather than loads of rubbish LEDs that dont.

the new panny is being pre-ordered like crazy by its fans and the ST 50 is selling out fast, this is not a company in trouble, just one that's slimming down.

if you're a fan, you'll replace your tv every year or two....this is enough to keep Panasonic going
 
if you're a fan, you'll replace your tv every year or two....this is enough to keep Panasonic going

i disagree with most of what you said, but the above really stood out.

only people who have a really high disposable income and are picture quality enthusiasts as well as gadget geeks who research everything will buy a pansonic plasma every year or two. i would say this group is very very small in fact it's probably less than a hundred in the UK.

for example i know someone who is a multi millionaire, is really into his tv and he only buys once the old one breaks, a couple years back he bought a samsung LED, many moons before that he had a pioneer plasma (HD wasn't invented at this time so a normal pioneer plasma, i think it was when plasma's first came out and he paid like £4K for it). when he had his pioneer he said everybody's house i have been to, even the ones with new HD telly's nothing beats his pioneer for PQ. now he says the exact same thing about his samsung full HD LED, it's the best he has seen.

hardly anyone researches enough before buying, they walk into a store see something they like and buy. i have told my dad countless times before he buys anything to ask me first, but he never does. he bought a pressure washer the other day, i could have gotten him a better model for half the price. people just do not care they want something that does the job. only enthusiasts care and their numbers are far too small.

why do you think pioneer had to shut down their manufacturing when they were leagues ahead of the competition? the enthusiasts couldnt save them, so their is no chance of them saving panasonic.
 
Pioneer doomed themselves by lack of advertising, not being able to keep the cost down etc, Panny at least are selling PDP panels at competitive prices, hell even the ZT60 is cheaper than the Kuros and is, by all accounts, a better set.

The Panny guy who posts on HDJ says they're already discussing OLED for 2014. They've figured out a 3D printing technique which will potentially make it cheaper to produce the screens, they're pouring billions into OLED development... as soon as they can sell an OLED for the price of the ZT60, their status as the last real PDP manufacturer (Samsung only have the F8500 set this year and that's it?) will change to 'were the last', because that's the way it's going to go, eventually. PDP has a few years left in it's legs yet though, but it's definitely in terminal decline.
 
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I wouldnt say LED are "rubbish" that is a bit excessive.... Plasmas have issues as well... I had a few last year when trying out different TV's... If you get a really good LED without too many issues they are good but they still leave a bit to be desired compared to plasma. I wish they just stuck with CCFL because LCD would probably be better now if they would have ditched the LED idea... But they saw a marketing buzzword and £££ and went with LED irrelevant of image quality. If I could have any TV it would probably be a plasma but for now I am reasonably happy with my Sony HX723 until OLED or something better comes out. Not perfect but good for the money. Cant wait for an affordable OLED TV... 46", 20,000:1 contrast, perfect uniformity and motion mmmmm ... No doubt OLED will have issues as well.
 
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why do you think pioneer had to shut down their manufacturing when they were leagues ahead of the competition? the enthusiasts couldnt save them, so their is no chance of them saving panasonic.

no, Panny has many more fanboys than Pioneer ever did, i've been researching buying a Panny from Europe, there are loads of panny forums/ shops abroad....Slovakia/Russia flipping everywhere....in fact; it's too much to research..too many cheap plasmas to choose from

panny u.k is quieter, after all, only Europe is getting the full 2013 range, plus many of them already have theirs, we're weeks behind.

even so, on AV Forum there are loads of people getting the 2013 panny and selling their 2012 tvs, many are pre-ordering

pioneer? their best Kuro wasn't just expensive... it was Mega expensive and thus didn't sell enough, but Panasonic were/are much cheaper.....their Kuro is the new Panny ZT, but this is a limited edition tv, it's not expected to sell much, so panny wont loose out on this....finally, it's only available in one size 60''.

PANNY have far more high quality tvs at a budget price, they are really cheap, my ST55'' only costs a grand.....NOW a similar LED is £2500 and not nearly as good....PIONEER didn't have this, all of theirs were expensive.
Pioneer went too upmarket and lost business to Panny.
 
I swapped my Samsung UE65E8000 for the 64" plasma due to horrendous vertical banding. The LCD does have a more punchy impressive picture but the plasma beats it hands down in terms of accuracy and uniformity. I'm going to keep the plasma until OLED sets become more affordable.
 
I wouldnt say LED are "rubbish" that is a bit excessive.... Plasmas have issues as well... I had a few last year when trying out different TV's... If you get a really good LED without too many issues they are good but they still leave a bit to be desired compared to plasma. I wish they just stuck with CCFL because LCD would probably be better now if they would have ditched the LED idea... But they saw a marketing buzzword and £££ and went with LED irrelevant of image quality. If I could have any TV it would probably be a plasma but for now I am reasonably happy with my Sony HX723 until OLED or something better comes out. Not perfect but good for the money. Cant wait for an affordable OLED TV... 46", 20,000:1 contrast, perfect uniformity and motion mmmmm ... No doubt OLED will have issues as well.

yes OLED does have issues....``half life`` plus manufacturing/ strength issues, it is very delicate and lightweight, you wont be able to let the kids touch the screen! let alone draw on it with a Smart pen :eek::D

the screen is also destroyed by water ! my guess is it might have to have a glass front with the OLED screen behind... NOT SURE.

glass maintains its flatness but is mega weak at 4mm....60'', so i'd make the screen out of Toughened glass, the OLED sheet behind and a slim plasma style backing plate, total thickness 0.75''..... but 5mm feels far too thin/ weak to me....bloody hel, that's thin over 60'' screen isn't it

I swapped my Samsung UE65E8000 for the 64" plasma due to horrendous vertical banding. The LCD does have a more punchy impressive picture but the plasma beats it hands down in terms of accuracy and uniformity. I'm going to keep the plasma until OLED sets become more affordable.

me too, but i might get another plasma at Xmas, that is if i can find a cheap vt65'' :D

you'll either get a good plasma or a pile of junk , i.e just like buying a graphics card :mad:

but Panny U.K replace faulty plasmas very quickly...only 3 days !
 
I think they may have fixed the OLED lifespan problem by using the white OLED with the colour filters?

I swapped my Samsung UE65E8000 for the 64" plasma due to horrendous vertical banding. The LCD does have a more punchy impressive picture but the plasma beats it hands down in terms of accuracy and uniformity. I'm going to keep the plasma until OLED sets become more affordable.

I went through 3 Samsung screens last year because of the terrible vertical banding and clouding... Samsung had one of the best image quality but definately the worst uniformity out of the ~10 different TV's I tried... Ended up with a Sony LED because I got sick of messing about returning TV's, buzzing plasmas with blobs on the screen, LED with terrible uniformity etc... They need to sort out the quality control TBH!
 
I thought they had currently replaced all colours with the white oled + filter solution, instead of what they originally did which was causing problems due to the lifespan of the blue OLED. Not sure now there seems to be a few solutions, LG and Samsung have one and then Sony have another type.... Ah well not really bothered I just want them to hurry up and release a working, affordable OLED now!
 
The only think that puts me off a plasma is it drinks electricity far more than LED/LCD

lol

my 50" GT50 uses roughly 185W and cost me £810 brand new (price matched) before i then used gift vouchers to get it down to £705, I also managed to get 2 x 3D glasses for free worth approx £100 in a panasonic promotion, making tv cost £600 in total as I would have needed to pay for the glasses instead (i would have bought them either way).

the equivalent 46" LED would have cost me £1900 and use 90W the equivalent 55" LED would have cost me £2500 and use 100W. talking about the new samsung F8000's here, reckon they will match my GT50 for picture quality.

i think the spare £1500 in my pocket will help pay the extra £20-£30 a year in electricity for quite a while.

cannot believe how many people fall for the old less electricity argument, without realising the same tv in LED costs more than twice as much.
 
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Hmm I think it is relevant if you watch it a lot.

55" Samsung LED : 90w
55" Panasonic Plasma : 220w
51" Samsung Plasma : 280w

40" LED : 40w
42" Panasonic plasma : 130w

Depends if you are poor or not lol
 
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