LCD/LED vs PLASMA

NirK said:
Hmm I think it is relevant if you watch it a lot.

55" Samsung LED : 90w
55" Panasonic Plasma : 220w
51" Samsung Plasma : 280w

40" LED : 40w
42" Panasonic plasma : 130w

Depends if you are poor or not lol
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50" GT50 only uses 185w roughly, therefore the samsung plasma is incorrect i would think, unless it is an old model.

my 51" D8000 which is a 2011 model for instance uses

Power Consumption
Default [Normal] mode (2D) 200 watts
Default [Normal] mode (3D) 303 watts
Calibrated ["Standard" Game Mode] (2D) 270 watts
Calibrated ["Standard" Game Mode] (3D) 303 watts
Standby 1 watt


so 200 watts in normal conditions, therefore 280w is when it is either in 3d or calibrated which the average user doesn't tend to do, especially when they are complaining about £20 worth of electricity never mind £300 on a calibration.


so on average a 50" LED uses 100w and a 50" plasma uses 200w, how much of a difference does 100w make over a year? it's the equivalent of an old light bulb for instance. same goes for 42" LED using 50w and a 42" plasma using 150w on average, again the difference is roughly 100w. therefore when the equivalent tv costs many hundreds less, the argument it is cheaper to run is void imo.
 
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It is basically about 3x the power usage. You cannot take the uncalibrated number from 1 TV and the calibrated number from another.

Personally I calibrate my screens to as close as possible to reference as anyone should because usually the stock settings are bad, doesnt mean you have to pay for a professional calibrator.

Not saying that LED are better than plasma I am just saying it is indeed a factor when choosing as if you use the TV for like 8 hours a day 3x the power usage is quite a bit if you do not have much money.

Sony 46" HX853 - Calibrated mode (2D) - 43 watts
Panasonic 42" ST60 - Calibrated mode (2D) - 136 watts

So around 2-3x the power usage at whatever size.

Panasonic plasma seem quite a bit better than samsung plasma for power usage though.
 
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NirK said:
It is basically about 3x the power usage. You cannot take the uncalibrated number from 1 TV and the calibrated number from another.

Personally I calibrate my screens to as close as possible to reference as anyone should because usually the stock settings are bad, doesnt mean you have to pay for a professional calibrator.

Not saying that LED are better than plasma I am just saying it is indeed a factor when choosing as if you use the TV for like 8 hours a day 3x the power usage is quite a bit if you do not have much money.

Sony 46" HX853 - Calibrated mode (2D) - 43 watts
Panasonic 42" ST60 - Calibrated mode (2D) - 136 watts

So around 2-3x the power usage at whatever size.

Panasonic plasma seem quite a bit better than samsung plasma for power usage though.
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like i said above its roughly 100w in difference between a plasma and an LED

100w x 10 hours is 1 kilowatt hour, which is 9-15p per day depending on your rate.

365 x 10p = £36.50 difference a year, but you will not use your tv for 10 hours every single day of the year, this is a worst case scenario.

so yeah you use roughly £20-£30 worth of electricity more per year.

my GT50 costs £1000 less than the equivalent LED in the first place. therefore you would need to keep your LED for 25-50 years before you see a return.

like i have stated many times, plasma is a lot cheaper, even in the long run.
 
Go look at some tv's - pick one you like and nevermind the whole plasma v LED/LCD debate. Just enjoy your purchase.

I've got a 42" panny that's 8 years old now and still going strong with a great picture, and a 59" samsung that is superb in my office/tv room. The samsung was replaced by John lewis after about a week due to very poor red/pink colour issues but the 2nd one has been excellent.
 
Mmm well whatever I was just saying that plasma is 3x the power usage on average of an LED so this is a factor which he may want to consider.

Tv on for 10 hours a day @ 16p per KW/H (the rate i pay on electricity meter)

1 year = £60 @ 100w

55" sony LED = £35 a year
55" Samsung LED = £55 a year
55" panasonic plasma = £120 a year
51" Samsung plasma = £170 a year

Over 5 years that is :

55" sony LED = £175
55" Samsung LED = £275
55" panasonic plasma = £600
51" Samsung plasma = £850

Plasma is better image quality but certainly does cost a fair bit more to run.

If you are buying over 50" plasma are cheaper initial purchase cost depending what you buy.
 
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hang around.. does anyone give a dam how much electricity it uses, after all, this is an Overclockers PC forum, it's a bit late now to go all green :D:D

the only thing that concerns us is Picture quality....gaming lag...image retention and of course price.
 
Mal X said:
hang around.. does anyone give a dam how much electricity it uses, after all, this is an Overclockers PC forum, it's a bit late now to go all green :D:D

the only thing that concerns us is Picture quality....gaming lag...image retention and of course price.
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Well effectively the power usage would be the price. If you add the purchase price + 5 years electricity then that is how much you paid for the TV (if you keep it 5 years).
 
NirK said:
Well effectively the power usage would be the price. If you add the purchase price + 5 years electricity then that is how much you paid for the TV (if you keep it 5 years).
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5 years ! i doubt it, more like next year.... i know what you're saying though, but i tend to turn a blind eye to the electricity useage.. the trouble is, it's damned cold right now so that's what's costing you money...additional heating
 
Mmmm true electric heating is extortionate.. You could argue that as a plus point for plasma.... You get an additional radiator when it is cold.

Wish I could afford a new plasma every year!
 
insane200 said:
Give it 3 more years and plasma will probably be dead, Even panasonic are cutting the range back, next year they think we will only see 2 models, another year possibly the same or none, it really depends on how well they sell this year.

It also doesnt help as the multiples probably wont be stocking plasmas and only keeping LED tv's.

I had a Panasonic G10 plasma and have upgraded/downgraded to a 47lm620 LG LED, which im very happy with, it does have some light bleed in the corners but its very minimal and on dark films hardly noticeable.

Yes motion isnt as good on some things, but to most its fine,and the input lag for gaming in Pc mode is 31ms according to a review site.
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To be fair once they start mass-producing OLED panels - LCD/LED will be dead as well ... might take a while mind.:D
 
I would expect that LCD would continue as a budget option for quite a long time because OLED is going to be a high end technology with a premium price for quite a while. Maybe when they get the prices right down they will phase out LCD.
 
Somnambulist said:
Pioneer doomed themselves by lack of advertising, not being able to keep the cost down etc, Panny at least are selling PDP panels at competitive prices, hell even the ZT60 is cheaper than the Kuros and is, by all accounts, a better set.
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Pioneer doomed themselves by not being willing to put cheaper(what they felt as substandard)parts in the their 9th gen kuro, every 9th gen ie LX50/6090 and KRP was sold a quite a considerable loss!

I thought the ZT60 was going to sell at £4000? the lx6090 was only £3200 when released
 
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Thats what happens when you put quality as a priority over profit margins :/ Look at samsung for example.... terrible quality control but massive profits.
 
NirK said:
Thats what happens when you put quality as a priority over profit margins :/ Look at samsung for example.... terrible quality control but massive profits.
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It's a shame that people just put up with that though, I would much rather buy from a company that puts quality above profit hence the reason I still have my lx5090 from 2008(other tvs are only just catching it up now, quality over profit for you) and the only thing I would change it for is a KRP600.
 
The Pioneer story was far more complex. Are you aware of what happened with the pattent infringements by NEC? Or how their marketing and product strategies swung wildly from Premium to Free-for-All and back to Premium again over a three year period?

The real death knell though for Pioneer and Fujitsu before them was artificially lower prices by the volume manufacturers chasing dominance in market share.
 
Yep I agree but unfortunately people seem more interested in how thin the bezels are and if you can wave your hands about and shout at the TV to change channels than if it has massive blobs on the screen, vertical banding and backlight bleed.
 
lucid said:
The Pioneer story was far more complex. Are you aware of what happened with the pattent infringements by NEC? Or how their marketing and product strategies swung wildly from Premium to Free-for-All and back to Premium again over a three year period?

The real death knell though for Pioneer and Fujitsu before them was artificially lower prices by the volume manufacturers chasing dominance in market share.
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I agree with you there hitachi as well and the tvs produced by pioneer went all that( in fact they were quite crap) untill the 8th gen when everything seemed to fall into place and then came 9th gen which in my opinion are still reference sets
 
NirK said:
Yep I agree but unfortunately people seem more interested in how thin the bezels are and if you can wave your hands about and shout at the TV to change channels than if it has massive blobs on the screen, vertical banding and backlight bleed.
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Yep that's all people are interested in now, that's why I won't swap mine for anything I don't have to worry about green blobs,vertical banding,backlight bleed,mill rises,buzzing,50hz problems,uneven backlight,IR,line bleed and floating blacks/whites. the only thing I get with my pioneer is an extra radiator **** me it puts out some heat lol
 
lol, I had the voice and hand gestures on my Samsung LCD and also have it now on my Samsung plasma. Instantly turned them both off. Not a good idea when you have 3 young kids in the house.
 
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