Learning to fly planes // RAF question.

Seriously, WTF are you on about.

Leadership or indeed potential leadership has and always will be a large part of the selection process for an RAF officer much like any other of HM forces. By default in the RAF any flying duties hold a commisioned rank hence leadership is a criteria.

Yes im well aware it is a criteria, i never said it wasnt. I was just pointing out that it is also a criteria for becoming a pilot in the army.
 
Couple of responses.

If I'm being honest, I am more keen on just 'flying' than joining the RAF. I just felt that the RAF would be the best approach into it - seeing as it is actually the 'Royal Air Force'. I would love any chance to fly really, be it civilian, or as part of a job, but if it is a job, I think I would learn more, and probably fly more often (as opposed to flying as a hobby, albeit an expensive one).

Looking at the RAF recruitment pages, it does appear to be quite a serious job, in terms of being physically fit and in-shape. I don't have a problem with that, but I have a bit of a hearing problem and this may be a disadvantage.

Any type of flying, commercial or civilian would interest me - but for lesson, it appears to cost thousands of pounds for the license, then there are the plane costs etc as well. I don't think I could take it up as a hobby, as I wouldn't be able to do it frequently enough.

Further feedback/advice much welcomed.
 
Well if you don't have the money getting the license yourself then I suppose good luck joining RAF but I can imagine any medical problem will be a huge problem since criteria is so high.
 
As I said before, I'm happy to answer any questions you have about commercial flying. If you only want to join the RAF to fly then my guess is you shouldn't join, as it isn't just about the flying. Plus theres the fact that you could get missiles shot at you lol

However I would say that if you have a hearing problem then this maybe a barrier to any type of flying job, as you need to be able to pass a medical.
 
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As I said before, I'm happy to answer any questions you have about commercial flying. If you only want to join the RAF to fly then my guess is you shouldn't join, as it isn't just about the flying. Plus theres the fact that you could get missiles shot at you lol

However I would say that if you have a hearing problem then this maybe a barrier to any type of flying job, as you need to be able to pass a medical.

While there's a knowledgable person here, I take it the eyesight requirements are pretty damn strict too in civilian world? I'm not talking about flying jets with hundreds of people but rather (N)PPL.
 
While there's a knowledgable person here, I take it the eyesight requirements are pretty damn strict too in civilian world? I'm not talking about flying jets with hundreds of people but rather (N)PPL.

Nope there no where near as strict as the RAF, but again it depends on what type of flying you want to do. For a PPL or NPPL then as long as your eyes can be corrected to 6/6 then you will most likely be fine. If you want to go commercial flying then there are limits to the amount of correction that you are allowed to have, I believe it is currently +-8 dioptres.
 
Only pilots and WSOs learn how to fly.

Nope, Pilots only, WSO's are basically Navs, WSOp's (of any flavour) are NCA, Non-Comissioned Aircrew, crewmen basically.

Threads like these make me laugh. Lad asks for advice and suddenly everyone is an expert.

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Having to '****' the L98 after each shot didn't do your groupings any good either!

I much proffered the Lee Enfield No. 8 rifles. Granted, they were a severely cut down .303 (no mag. so single shot, and reduced to .22). But they're more accurate than any army's staple weapon.
 
Nope, Pilots only, WSO's are NCA, Non-Comissioned Aircrew, crewmen basically.

Threads like these make me laugh. Lad asks for advice and suddenly everyone is an expert.

think he means weapon systems officer - the guy in the back seat of the tornado - unless things have changed drastically since I was in air cadets and thinking of applying then they certainly do take part in at least the initial part of flying training and then go on to do some navigation type stuff too
 
think he means weapon systems officer - the guy in the back seat of the tornado - unless things have changed drastically since I was in air cadets and thinking of applying then they certainly do take part in at least the initial part of flying training and then go on to do some navigation type stuff too

He probably does, apologies, Weapon Systems Officers are now what traditionally were the Navigators, but they don't learn to fly. The Weapon Systems Operators are all NCA's and also don't pilot aircraft.
 
Just to put a spin on things, remember it is possible to be a civil pilot as well. You don't just HAVE to join the RAF to fly. As has been said it is extremely hard to get in as a pilot in the RAF, even those that DO make it only a few make it to fly fast jets.

Civil flying is obviously different, but can be just as rewarding in many ways. If you love flying then it is still very much a great job. Don't let anyone tell you that its not 'real' flying. Just because its different doesn't make it any less challenging.

I fly the A320 with Aer Lingus so if you have any questions about civil flying let me know.

Ahh you moved from Ryanair, I should be flying the 320 with Etihad in around 20 months! Looking forward to it.

As much as I love the idea of bombing taliban in Afghanistan as far as I am aware, the lifestyle is better and the pay is aswell in commercial so that is why I chose it. Plus I don't like steep turns :p
 
Your grades help a bit but the most important thing is how you do in your air aplitude test. I cant tell you what they invovle yet but im due to go to RAF Cranwell soon to do them so will let you know when i get back. Looking to become a pilot in the army but the tests are the same i believe.

Your local recruiting office will be able to give you a lot more information

i went to RAF Cranwell College to try to get a-level scholarship or something similar a couple of years ago. It was pretty fun experience, very lax though compared with what real military life would be like. I was in air cadets for 5 years and even that was a more 'tough' routing than Cranwell was. When i was at Cranwell i had lie ins till 7.30, unlike cadet camps where i would have to be up by 6. There was bout 20 pilot scholarships with about 100 entrants. Alas i wasn't successful. So i think that put me off the forces which is good because I'm now getting a degree, which i think is very important to have, so you can fall back onto it if you don't get into the forces.

If the above makes sense I'm surprised lol
 
O how wrong you are. Only officers fly in the RAF but in the army you can be an officer of not.

I stand corrected.

Nope, Pilots only, WSO's are NCA, Non-Comissioned Aircrew, crewmen basically.

Threads like these make me laugh. Lad asks for advice and suddenly everyone is an expert.

WSO = Weapon System Officer
WSOp = Weapon System Operator

He probably does, apologies, Weapon Systems Officers are now what traditionally were the Navigators, but they don't learn to fly.

There's only 1 WSO, so of course thats what I mean, and they do learn to fly.
 
There's only 1 WSO, so of course thats what I mean, and they do learn to fly.
I can reliably inform you that Weapons Systems Officers do not learn to fly.
When i was at Cranwell i had lie ins till 7.30, unlike cadet camps where i would have to be up by 6.
I can also reliably inform you that your experience at Cranwell is not a reflection on what it is like to be an inmate at Cranditz :p
 
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I can also reliably inform you that your experience at Cranwell is not a reflection on what it is like to be an inmate at Cranditz :p

I was getting at this. Also i will back you up. Only pilots learn to fly. And the few aircraft (jets I'm on about) that require navmen, don't have rear sticks, so whats the point in teaching them to fly!
 
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