Lefties

I don't like the whole "left/right" categorisation as I, for one, hold left and right-wing views depending on what the subject matter is. I try to be balanced and pragmatic (although obviously swayed a little by self-interest).

I think the OP is on about the rent-a-mob protestor types who want a no borders utopia whilst ignoring the fact that the world is not a wonderful place where we can all hold hands and sing Kum By Ya around the camp fire together. They do my head in too.
 
John40 said:
Benefit scroungers, junkies, and people who spew out kids for the state to keep should be rightly hammered every day of the week.
Only a leftie would say we have to be sympathetic to them and just allow their state funded lifestyle to continue.
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I think its the hammering thats the csuse of the kids problem.
 
Diddums said:
Oh boy. Here we go :rolleyes:
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Absolutely, anybody who lies and fiddles to get more money from the state and I know several deserves nothing but contempt.

I have no problem with genuine benefit claimaints as I wouldn't class them as scroungers.

I find it contemptible that fiddling benefits is seen by the left as perfectly acceptable.
 
Narj said:
I don't like the whole "left/right" categorisation as I, for one, hold left and right-wing views depending on what the subject matter is. I try to be balanced and pragmatic (although obviously swayed a little by self-interest).
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This is another thing, I don't think anyone can be 100% left or right. I'm mostly right but do have some left wing views mixed in too
 
Narj said:
I think the OP is on about the rent-a-mob protestor types who want a no borders utopia whilst ignoring the fact that the world is not a wonderful place where we can all hold hands and sing Kum By Ya around the camp fire together. They do my head in too.
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These are your "one world" lefties. Apart from Israel of course. The Jews aren't permitted a place in their happy utopia.
 
John40 said:
Absolutely, anybody who lies and fiddles to get more money from the state and I know several deserves nothing but contempt.

I have no problem with genuine benefit claimaints as I wouldn't class them as scroungers.

I find it contemptible that fiddling benefits is seen by the left as perfectly acceptable.
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Does the same go for businesses, MP's, very well off individuals who adopt various 'legal' schemes
 
mulpsmebeauty said:
These are your "one world" lefties. Apart from Israel of course. The Jews aren't permitted a place in their happy utopia.
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Yep, another thing about the silly lefties is that they are all complete hypocrites. All for everybody being equal and against discrimination except for the people they think it's acceptable to discriminate against.
 
I've always felt quite left of centre I think but it's been hard to slot myself into a 'wing'.
I find the term 'Lefties' pretty immature, and as someone has said, it's tantamount to calling all right-wingers bigots and fascists when we know that isn't true either..

I don't like to see wealthy people benefit at the detriment to poorer people, I understand if you work hard, you should be rewarded and I'm all for making money and being comfortable, but those that can't shouldn't be left to rot.
I don't really advocate violence, abhor nuclear weapons and warfare and don't glorify our troops as heroic and although I find it bizarre that in 2016 humans are still so segregated by ideology, national identity and religion, I understand the need for defence.

I think the NHS is a brilliant thing (and I work for them) and I know the private sector offers more efficiency and can see where it plays a useful role, but don't want to lose the NHS and hate to see it attacked by millionaires who won't even notice if it's gone.

I have no problem with foreigners, think immigration on the whole is a good thing, but would like to see stricter controls than the free flow we have now for the sake of simply managing the resources we have, money, healthcare, housing, rather than letting it all implode under unmanageable numbers.

Etc etc. blah blah..

Either far left or far right seems mental to me, too idealistic and unworkable - but I'd prefer to err on the side that doesn't wish harm on people if it has better outcomes for them. That doesn't do much for society as a whole :/
 
John40 said:
Yes of course but I was replying to a specific question saying that people who fiddle benefits shouldn't be criticised.
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It is the same side of the coin, just because one wears a suit and the other in some casual outfit they should be treated equally when taking from the public purse something that they have no right to.

Some basic examples - companies paying minimum wage which is then topped up by the tax payers so the working poor can live.

MP's over claiming on expenses but say it's within the rules, wasn't aware or pay back after being caught with zero consequences.

HSBC helping tax avoidance & evasion on a massive scale but no-one goes to court

We are all being manipulated to target the bottom of the heap as they have no-one to speak up for them
 
DailyGeek said:
I've always felt quite left of centre I think but it's been hard to slot myself into a 'wing'.
I find the term 'Lefties' pretty immature, and as someone has said, it's tantamount to calling all right-wingers bigots and fascists when we know that isn't true either..

I don't like to see wealthy people benefit at the detriment to poorer people, I understand if you work hard, you should be rewarded and I'm all for making money and being comfortable, but those that can't shouldn't be left to rot.
I don't really advocate violence, abhor nuclear weapons and warfare and don't glorify our troops as heroic and although I find it bizarre that in 2016 humans are still so segregated by ideology, national identity and religion, I understand the need for defence.

I think the NHS is a brilliant thing (and I work for them) and I know the private sector offers more efficiency and can see where it plays a useful role, but don't want to lose the NHS and hate to see it attacked by millionaires who won't even notice if it's gone.

I have no problem with foreigners, think immigration on the whole is a good thing, but would like to see stricter controls than the free flow we have now for the sake of simply managing the resources we have, money, healthcare, housing, rather than letting it all implode under unmanageable numbers.

Etc etc. blah blah..

Either far left or far right seems mental to me, too idealistic and unworkable - but I'd prefer to err on the side that doesn't wish harm on people if it has better outcomes for them. That doesn't do much for society as a whole :/
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+1, well said!
 
As I have said in other threads the left has no real battles to fight anymore and has to cherry pick and in some cases really push to invent new areas of protest. There is something some people find glamorous in being a freedom fighter for the left and wanting to "stick it to the man" and help the common people. I'll admit I like the idea of that, but I also know it is rather silly.

Growing up I listened to music and was part of a subculture that traditionally would be from the left. I was against the war in Iraq and gravitated towards reading The Guardian online in the early 2000's. However over the last few years some of the "regressive left" viewpoints woke me up to realise just how manipulative the left can be with the truth. In my view the left hold a far stronger ideology these days and cling to it in the face of cold hard facts.

I still read The Guardian but I read The Spectator just as much and find that usually far more refreshing and grounded.
 
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The Geezer said:
We are all being manipulated to target the bottom of the heap as they have no-one to speak up for them
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Exactamundo!

That's why we have programs like Benefit Street, but none about large scale corporate tax evasion. While ever we're looking down we're not looking up and seeing what the 'elite' are doing.
 
wordy said:
Exactamundo!

That's why we have programs like Benefit Street, but none about large scale corporate tax evasion. While ever we're looking down we're not looking up and seeing what the 'elite' are doing.
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err wasn't there just a huge bbc program about just that?
 
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