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wordy said:
Exactamundo!

That's why we have programs like Benefit Street, but none about large scale corporate tax evasion. While ever we're looking down we're not looking up and seeing what the 'elite' are doing.
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I too would love to see a full expose of these issues but the fact of the matter is that it's really a failure of Journalism and the media to properly convey and explore these issues.

A fair chunk of those who work in TV, Radio and the media are so called left leaning yet they really fail to deliver in this area.
 
wordy said:
err wow, 1 flippin program about the whole issue? amazing.
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Hasn't there been a huge amount of discussion in the media about large companies not paying hte tax they should? Recent stories from memory are Starbucks, Amazon, Google, etc. It's constantly in the news :confused:
 
Hades said:
Hasn't there been a huge amount of discussion in the media about large companies not paying hte tax they should? Recent stories from memory are Starbucks, Amazon, Google, etc. It's constantly in the news :confused:
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....no it isn't:confused:
 
Cromulent said:
But the fact remains that at least one major economy has gone from massive hyperinflation and massive unemployment to being a world super power within 10 years just by doing massive state funded public works and infrastructure. The idea that the only way you can have a stable economy is by having a budget surplus does not actually work out when you look at the historical evidence.
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The 10 years from 2004 to 2014 was perhaps a more impressive turn-around, seeing as they were coming from a period of stability and peace, not wartime destruction.

That was fuelled, I believe, by labour reforms keeping wages down, a large pool of cheap labour from the former GDR, an export boom funded by capital investment in China and the exchange rate being kept favourable by being lumped in with the rest of Europe.

Public sector capital investment in Germany has been terrible during that time, even worse than ours.

So there is no one answer, or even one question.

To answer the OP, it's tribal, look at the football fan and how they defend 'their' team to the death. It's very comforting to have something that is yours, that you can believe in and trust.
 
Diddums said:
OP SNIP
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It's not that your mate is a lefty that's the problem, it's that he is an idiot
 narrow minded and not in possession of the necessary mental skills or knowledge to be able argue his point of view and back it up with evidence.

You get the same attittude in all things e.g religion, football, oasis vs blur, nvidia vs AMD etc etc etc When people beliefs are challenged and they have a simplistic, narrow world view, they tend to get very angry.

The simple fact is that people are entitled to live their lives, their way and on their path. You can choose whether or not to listen to him, argue with him or just let him be!
 
had a mate flip his **** on saturday night when i challenged him on his sweeping generalisation of 'all trump supporters are thick as pig ****'. ended up getting really offensive and angry, then threatened to leave. told him to **** off if he can't handle a rational discussion and he stropped off :p
 
It works both ways with extremists on each side. In my opinion they're all as vocal and stupid as each other with perhaps the far-right being a little stupider and louder.

But they're all total nutters. You've just only met one of them.
 
The terms left and right are so hard to actually define in modern politics.

Left seems to be against anything the right does, and vica versa.
 
Tarring everyone with the same brush doesn't help.

'Lefty bloke at work is annoying, therefore all people on the left are annoying?'

Personally I'd say I'm in the centre. Some things I have a more right wing stance on and other times I have a more left wing stance.

I voted for Lib Dems last two elections. I think Corbyn is a very decent bloke and much more human than Cameron or Osbourne though.
 
I'd say I'm right of centre on the economy and left of centre on social matters. I could never vote for someone like Corbyn. But I am pleased he is leading the Labour party to give at least a little choice and democracy. I can't stand Cameron and Osborne. In fact I can't think of many prime ministers I've liked from either side (I did like Mrs T though - so shoot me).

However I do agree with the OP's point that the extreme left seem to just want to shout until they get their way.
 
VincentHanna said:
I voted for Lib Dems last two elections. I think Corbyn is a very decent bloke and much more human than Cameron or Osbourne though.
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A journalist published a tale in a national newspaper. Paraphrasing it, said journalist was living next door to a London council house many years ago. The existing tenant was turfed out (I can't recall the specifics) and the next day, workmen turned up and started on the house, which was fitted out cost no object.

Who was then observed to move into this council house but a certain Mr Corbyn, who just so happened to be working for the labour council at the time.

I don't have links but believe this was published in the Telegraph. Basically Corbyn is as bad a champagne socialist as any other lefty. He just hides it for his own ends.

EDIT here's the link. Not quite as I remember it as it wasn't Corbyn himself moving in, but just as damning on him nevertheless http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...my-Corbyns-rule-it-turned-me-into-a-Tory.html
 
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I would imagine the majority of the public have pretty central views, with mixed views on left/right wing agenda.

I would say i'm more right, than left. But i disagree with the cuts made to disabled people if they need the money. But on the other hand i agree with the 40p band being increased - you need to reward those in society who do work hard.
 
mulpsmebeauty said:
EDIT here's the link. Not quite as I remember it as it wasn't Corbyn himself moving in, but just as damning on him nevertheless http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...my-Corbyns-rule-it-turned-me-into-a-Tory.html
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That literally tells me nothing about Corbyn other than he didn't like being woken up in the middle of the night by somebody who should probably have complained to the neighbours making the noise....?

But that bit of information had to be relayed to us by our erstwhile neighbours because by that time we had fled northwards to raise our family in an outer London Conservative borough which did not detest half its residents.
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She didn't even see the thing she's claiming happened....
 
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