Legal aid should not fund asylum legal action.

[Mrwong]

Look at the amount of money spent solely on is staggering.

Personally, legal aid should not cover any asylum claims.

The money spent in this area should be diverted to access other areas of legal help for citizens of the country.

If charities complaint about funding maybe they should pay for the asylums legal bills.

Or the UN or other global institute should fund it.

What are you views.

 

[Mrwong]

Isn't that point of being a country? Insofar that we are putting them up?

Anyway, if the 'right channels' weren't obtuse in the first place, maybe they wouldn't risk paying criminals to fling them across the busiest sea lane in the world.

I don't think they should be able to access anything.
This country already had an increasing homeless count, struggling to build homes.

If charities want to help let them spend the money funding these claims. This country has enough problems of it own..

 

[Mrwong]

Are you referring to the economic migrants coming across the channel or actual real asylum seekers?

Economic migrants and the fake asylum that can't really be verified.

 

[Mrwong]

I wouldn't call £36 million pound "staggering" when referring to government finances.

They are spending at least £500 million getting people to eat out in restaurants...

500 million to stop a economic collapse bit different.
If the Government didn't spend the money then those people would be out of a job, pushing more out of other jobs.

Doing this maybe a lot cheaper in the long run than allowing a few sectors going bust.

 

[Mrwong]

Why not both?

We could reverse a decade of cuts to legal aid, and fund it properly, so that everyone has access to the legal system.

That too, which ever allows greater access and scope for British nationals.

 

[Mrwong]

Quite sad how yet again immigrants are being scapegoated, unchecked government incompetence costs you far more than any immigrant ever will.



+1

Blame the government for everything ? The Government can be blamed for lots if things, but not everything is the Governments fault.

How far or how much are you will to spend your money on everyone else apart from your own family?

You fix your house before you attempted fix other issues.
This country does not have the finances to help the world. But it can help or reduce it's own problems.

 

[Mrwong]

Genuine asylum seekers wouldn't pass through a dozen safe countries and a further dangerous stretch of water but it's definitely our own governments fault that people are risking their lives to get here, the rewards are just too great and risk of being denied asylum practically zero once you set foot on UK soil. I can see why France is annoyed having half of world bearing down on Calais because of us also, don't blame them at all for helping people cross safely.

That is one of many problems, but if you reduce any desire then people will stop coming.

This would be the best solution, but taking hard line approach sometimes is the most humanitarian approach.

The only solution is to refuse all cases, what really amazes me that those seeking asylum have no cultural connection to the UK and the cultural connection they have are with countries that refuse them with out question.

 

[Mrwong]

The question he doesnt answered, why do they come to the UK?

Because ENGLISH is an easy language to learn and most have a basic grasp of it.

 

[Mrwong]

1/5 of crime committed by immigrants? seems like we have more of a problem with the natives.

1/5 is very high number. You need to see that the native population would be xx times greater than the immigrated population.

If you have 100 o total, native pop is 90 and the immigrated pop is 10.
25 are criminals of the total pop, immigrants account for 1/5 = 5 and natives account for 4/5 = 20

That is 50%of the total immigrant pop are criminals and 22% of natives are criminals.

Who do we have a problem with?

 

[Mrwong]

Guess I need to post this again



Without knowing what the 'unique person/repeat offender' aspect does to the reported figures, the number could be off by quite a margin.

Correct me if I am wrong, a single person can also be charged with multiple individual crimes at once, so if a 5 people are caught partaking in quite a racket, they could be charged with, say, 5 crimes each, making the stats inflated for their ethnicity.

With stats you can manipulate the numbers and depending on which formula they use.I just did a very simple calculation. Of course there is going to be skewed maybe all the crimes are committed by one individual or one crime committed by a few individuals.

It all comes down to how the data has been collected.
Also remember there could be subgroups when taking about immigrants are not just black they could be white Asian etc...

I interpreted it as anyone that has no right to stay.
When you talk about white crime most people including here think of natives, they forget you can be white and not a native.

At what point do you select your diversified classification lists. The best resources would be natives and none natives with a subsection of legal and ilegal.

You could also have seasonal variation data when it comes down to crimes commitment.
Then you need to further break it down to types of crimes etc... Now you can see how complicated it can get, sometimes the best solution is the simple solution.

 

[Mrwong]

I'll let Gary Linker rehome those.

People like the above always will say what seems to look good. Remember house a Syrian well still waiting on that one.

Question would be to those in favour of immigration would you help fund one immigrated for 20 years or so.are you prepared to give 50% of your wages to one, if you feel strongly about it?

 

[Mrwong]

The level of blatent xenophobia, dog-whistling racism and "immigrant blaming" going on in this thread by the usual suspects is truly remarkable.

Utterly disgusting levels of lies and misrepresentation being used by ignorant, racist bigots attempting to paint every immigrant as a rapist, a murderer or a child trafficker.

You people are ******* disgusting animals... I wouldn't **** on you if you were on fire.

I'd rather have a thousand of those "immigrants" than 1 of you xenophobic, racist sacks of **** who keep posting utter ******** with 0 evidence and claim they know best.

It is not about being racist, it is about the ability to give those that live here legally a comfortable life.

This is about preserving the system ability to give people legally a happy economic life. I am sorry if you feel it does not fit with your views, beliefs etc.. etc..

But to call someone racist because of ilegal immigration is very unfair because ilegal immigration is not colour discriptive. As there are some who are white who are immigrants and possibly illegal.

Would you allow everyone into your property, even people you have no idea who they are.

At what point do you say stop? Because there will be a time no matter how left and how liberal you are you will turn round and say enough.

Would you yourself have an open door policy to immigration?
Would you allow uncontrollable numbers to enter the country?
Would you accept every single immigrate into the UK?
How would you filter out immigrants coming into the UK?
Do you think it is acceptable for immigrants to break British law?
Do you think it is acceptable that they use organised gangs to get them routes into the UK?
Are you willing to have your taxes increased to cover the cost of housing etc. Immigrants in camps etc....
Are you willing to take a hit on your wages as there possibly would be an over supply of workers in your industry?
Would you be happy to pay higher house prices?
Would you be happy to build access previous green land untill there is no more left?
Are you happy to accept more pollution?
There are so many factors when in comes to immigration?

I do not know where you live but London has become a dumping ground and a waste pit.

Say what you like I prefer to have no immigration. Into this country as I can see how it going to constantly cost people in this country.

People who agree with immigration are causing misery, killing and put whole families at risk.

If this country had a zero tolerance immigration policy it would be well known and they would not risk their lives coming to the UK.
Iiberal s have a romantic idea but have no concept of function and system integration.

No idea understanding of security or specific sector security which includes food and how population density is concerning factor for all factors that liberals seem to be up in arms.
The world s problems have developed from liberal romatic ideas, are self inflicted and continue to snowball.

You can not population increase with out damaging the environment.

So next time when you call a person racist think about the underlying issues that are not visible.

Immigration is dangerous to the current system, catastrophic to the establish population, and will only end up making everyone suffer.

The poor will get poorer as those in positions of power will take advantage of numbers willing or forced to work.
This country will end up in environmental disaster, how do you propose to fix that?

 

[Mrwong]

Another brick in who's wall exactly?

Trumps wall?

That's as equally misguided and misconceived as the narrative you are attempting to spin by cherry-picking data that suits your narrative - well done. You have completed step 1 of "how to create a slippery slope fallacy".

I'm guessing now you're going to try and assert that "allowing these types of people into the country is the thin-end of the wedge" and how it will bring in more and more "criminals, rapists and murders" - while completely overlooking all the immigrants who are a net benefit to our country?

Trump's wall, you do know Obama built a wall and all the other previous president since 1990 have built it?

Secure Fence Act of 2006

Why highlight Trump? He is only proposing to make it higher.and more durable.

Have you answered my post yet, or decided to over look it because you have no answers to it.?

You seem to be for immigration but fail to go behind the numbers and see the true cost to this country.
I am sorry but immigration is bad and please do not label me as racist because that does not work.

Come up with an Idea that immigration will have a zero impact on all areas. Because at the moment it is impacting some more than others and as a nation as a whole.

 

[Mrwong]

Ultimately it's better for their safety if they understand an illegal crossing is not only dangerous but will not be rewarded.

Fewer attempts should mean less loss of life, after all.

I'm sure @Devilman will be on board with this sensible approach

Once the government comes down hard and the experiences of those are past to future Invaders l. It will all stop and no one would be in danger.
Until then people lives at both ends will be compromised.

 

[Mrwong]

So by your logic if a woman is sexually assaulted by a man, it is right for her to assume all men are like that? Or does that only work when race is a variable?

That is what happens when you suffer a trauma, the mind goes into protect mode. If there are distinctive features then it enhances them more.

 

[Mrwong]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ght-go-ahead-despite-last-minute-court-action

How about your bible as a "source"? If its bias social justice ridden contents can even count as one

14 not really that many, but it's a start.

 

[Mrwong]

I know and I'm always told dont worry these people are English or are aspiring to come to England because we are a virtuous nation.

Not sure why anyone would be chanting for pakistan,its not exactly enlightened from an equal rights, racial or sex perspective but you know...

To take advantage of what wealth this country can provide. I always hear from people I can wait to retire and return home.

 

[Mrwong]

Sounds like a generalisation to me...

I stay away from anyone like this, if I see them working in restaurants I just leave.

Prefer to avoid and not have the hassle, don't really care what people think any longer.

 

[Mrwong]

With a name like Mrwong

You would think that you had some compassion for foreigners. These people have went through hell to get here.

If this was 200 years ago and people were coming here nobody would have batted an eyelid.

Personally I'm of the opinion that anyone should be allowed to come here who has a fairly clean criminal record.

As in no rapists, murderers, etc the bad ones.

If someone has a minor record, quite small stuff then they should be properly interviewed and psych evaluated before any decision is made. Stopping them for petty stuff would be harsh when we already have plenty of hardened criminals here.

As for spending money on them. Do you know that the British Empire stole £45 trillion from India alone?

India had the third biggest economy in the world or 1/3rd total of the world's economy alone before the British empire destroyed it and stole all the wealth. And Britain only accounted for like 3% of the world's trade at the time.

Do you think that stolen money should be given back? After all Britain did massacre tens of millions of Indian lives in the process. As a result many millions more have no likley died from the knock on effects.

Actually the world became very stable during and after the British Empire. Countries borders became more established and stable after British rule.

Before the British Rule Indian did not have the land mass it had now.

India had always been invaded or has has invaded other countries. So please don't use the British Empire as the source of the problems, they are not. I would go as far as the Empire resolved and established a more stable world.

As I have said before the British Rule land borders were consistently changing almost yearly.

I'll answer your questions.

1) Are you continuing to use the British Empire as the source of all problems. If so then I blame the Romans and the Vikings and the cavevmen etc for the reason why the British became an offensive country after the many Invaders it had.

2) Indian history they took form other smaller countries in Asia before the empire. They too are not innocent.
3) the Indian economy was already in freefall before the British empire. The cast system was created by Indians.

4) the majority of the problems in India are due to the Indian governments, or other governments for their own native problems.

5) two hundred years ago they would have not let them in.

6) you seem to be happy to allow them in, if the government introduced tomorrow and said there will be an extra tax of 22% for immigration and asylum costs. This tax would be voluntary would you pay it?

7) If it continues social resources would be depleted and there would be nothing for anyone.

8) it is not the duty of this or any other governments to become the welfare state of the world.

9) once this count has managed to take care of it own population if there is anything left then I am happy to give it to those in other countries.

 

[Mrwong]

You do know the majority of those crimes are being committed mainly be Eastern Europeans who are free to travel here under eu rules?

Again it's just ignorant racist rhetoric.

How long have you been a racist and white supremacist?

The problem with people shouting Racist etc...
They link immigration to every other races apart from the white race.

This is where the argument fails, when I speak of immigration and asylum I see it as non skin related.

Those that accuse others of racist views are infact racist them selves because they have become so brainwashed and have interlinked colour with immigration, they are racists for think it.

Immigration and asylum is not about colour to me it is tribal for me, and how it impacts this country systematic workings.