Leopard coming soon?

mortals · 22 Jan 2007 at 13:52

Rossmac said:
You DO realise that the average user isnt going to buy all 4 editions? in both 32 and 64 bit!

That's not the point tho :rolleyes:

look at the prices etc.

If 64bit suddenly takes off and the average person has bought the 32bit that is another sale and more money. Aswell as microsoft's step-up program where you can upgrade by paying more.

JonB · 22 Jan 2007 at 13:55

dirtydog said:
That's what I thought. I don't see how it can take a comprehensive image of your whole computer, without using a lot of disk space and resources.

JonB said:
Since you start using it. i.e forever.

They use a clever technology which only saves the changes. Help's greatly to keep file sizes down as you dont have repeated files over and over.

As for where you either need a secondary internal hard disk, or an external storage HD.

dirtydog · 22 Jan 2007 at 13:56

How is that different from what System Restore does? Sounds exactly the same to me.

JonB · 22 Jan 2007 at 13:59

...?

I never said it was different, what's your point?

dirtydog · 22 Jan 2007 at 14:02

JonB said:
...?

I never said it was different

Caged did

Beepcake · 22 Jan 2007 at 14:06

Time machine doesn't seem to work very well, it's meant to automatically track changes etc, but it doesn't seem to work

As for Windows copying it.. the same functionality has been in the Vista betas for quite a while.. but they broke/removed it for the final few builds

Caged · 22 Jan 2007 at 18:02

dirtydog said:
I've never used System Restore, in fairness - I always disable it. Norton Ghost is my preferred solution You would presumably acknowledge that at least System Restore is better than the OSX equivalent prior to Leopard - ie. nothing

System Restore exists to undo screw ups from bad driver updates which prevent the system from functioning. Or at least, that's what it's designed to do - it doesn't back up documents. I have never experienced System Restore working, it would always reboot and say that it was unable to do anything.

If Mac OS broke often with no means to restore it, then I'd acknowledge that something needed to be done, but I've never had that happen to me.

From my point of view I can only form the opinion that Mac OS doesn't need a system restore feature because it doesn't randomly break itself. My opinion would obviously change if and when this happens, and I can't say that it will never do it, as I've only been using a Mac for about a year, compared to almost a decade of Windows use.

toosepin · 22 Jan 2007 at 18:03

System restore is different, because system restore is crap.

dirtydog · 22 Jan 2007 at 18:51

Caged said:
From my point of view I can only form the opinion that Mac OS doesn't need a system restore feature because it doesn't randomly break itself.

Windows doesn't randomly break itself either

toosepin said:
System restore is different, because system restore is crap.

Righty-o.

JonB · 22 Jan 2007 at 18:59

That and it doesnt back up documents....

dirtydog · 22 Jan 2007 at 19:05

I wouldn't think backing up documents would be a good thing, would it? Supposing you had a load of documents, and then for some reason you wanted to do a system restore - all of your current documents would revert to old versions and you'd lose everything you'd worked on since.

Backing up documents is something best left to the individual applications, Word or whatever.

Hate · 22 Jan 2007 at 19:13

I would prefer to be left to my own devices to back up documents, but some users are complete planks and only backup after they've had a crash!

Caged · 22 Jan 2007 at 19:37

dirtydog said:
Windows doesn't randomly break itself either

It does, because I've experience it first hand. Way to read the rest of the sentence.

System Restore and Time Machine are totally different tools. System restore backs up system settings and driver changes and stuff like that (badly). Time Machine stores different versions of personal documents. They are different applications, you can't really compare them.

JonB · 22 Jan 2007 at 19:37

dirtydog said:
I wouldn't think backing up documents would be a good thing, would it? Supposing you had a load of documents, and then for some reason you wanted to do a system restore - all of your current documents would revert to old versions and you'd lose everything you'd worked on since.

Backing up documents is something best left to the individual applications, Word or whatever.

To be honest and thinking about it more, system restore and Time Machine are completely different. Have you seen the demonstration videos of it? You don't have to restore the whole system, you just choose the file that you want to restore. This leads me to believe it is designed mainly for documents and other important media files.

System restore is to fix a borked up operating system, although I imagine with time machine, if you restored enough of the vital files then you could use it to return to a previous, better, state!

fumbles · 23 Jan 2007 at 02:57

Caged said:
It does, because I've experience it first hand. Way to read the rest of the sentence.

System Restore and Time Machine are totally different tools. System restore backs up system settings and driver changes and stuff like that (badly). Time Machine stores different versions of personal documents. They are different applications, you can't really compare them.

I think system restore does a great job. Windows Vista however has a tool where you can image you entire drive.

System Restore exists to undo screw ups from bad driver updates which prevent the system from functioning. Or at least, that's what it's designed to do - it doesn't back up documents. I have never experienced System Restore working, it would always reboot and say that it was unable to do anything.

System restore doesnt back up files, but the files and settings transfer wizard does!

But considering MacOSX Leopard has nothing to do with MS and Windows.

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zetec452 · 23 Jan 2007 at 09:11

Time machine to me is what Shadow Copies are for MS.

System retore is one of the better parts of XP. Very useful.

unknowndomain · 23 Jan 2007 at 14:54

fumbles said:
Im not making it into a Mac vs PC... I am just pointing out that Apples new OS isnt really a new OS at all, just what MS calls a service pack. Just a bunch of updates really!

Told you it would end up as a mac vs pc fight! People get very passionate about their Mac's and PC's

fumbles said:
I think system restore does a great job. Windows Vista however has a tool where you can image you entire drive.

System restore doesnt back up files, but the files and settings transfer wizard does!

But considering MacOSX Leopard has nothing to do with MS and Windows.

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Please dont get me started on Files and Settings Transfer Wizard, its terrable! however MS's Backup tool isnt so bad but neither is using norton ghost which is what I used in the old Windows days, however my Mac just needs a tool like time machine, which presumably when out of beta will work to cover me from making mistakes and also from any critical errors which may occour.

fumbles · 24 Jan 2007 at 00:16

unknowndomain said:
Told you it would end up as a mac vs pc fight! People get very passionate about their Mac's and PC's

Whoops, you were right there!

So when does this Leopard thing come out?

unknowndomain · 24 Jan 2007 at 00:23

fumbles said:
Whoops, you were right there!

So when does this Leopard thing come out?

Spring, cant wait, looking for some new features!

cremo · 24 Jan 2007 at 00:39

http://applerecon.com/2007/01/23/apple-special-event-on-february-20