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Not to sour this thread, i don't post often.

But there has been abit of ganging up on Rroff here, i don't agree half the time with what he says, particularly his views in the past that nVidia is doing more for gaming with physx and twimtbp, but it doesn't need to take 5 people to **** off one mis-typed comment about cuda and it's applications.
 
Don't think that a Mars card can be taken into consideration here as it is only 1 run of 1000 and it is pretty special (rather than 2 underclocked gtx275 its is 2 standard clock gtx285) expensive but something that deserves to be treasured

I don't care about bang for buck

We cannot all be so gung-ho, PERSONALLY I hope the Nvidia cards are released before the January VAT increase, that way I can buy the best card I can afford; 5870 vapor-x, 5870x2 or whatever Nvidia offer (money not exactly an issue more best deal around)

If it is not here though then I will go with ATI (again) as the card already has one up on Nvidia (15% VAT)
 
No doubt it'll be a very impressive card but is anyone expecting anything less than an obscene price tag?
 
If it is not here though then I will go with ATI (again) as the card already has one up on Nvidia (15% VAT)

AFIK VAT goes up 1st december. And rumour has it that it may go up to 20%

EDIT: Correct it goes up 31st december
 
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rumours have being around for a while that to compensate for the 15% VAT will have to go up to 20% to balance the books.

May or may not happen.

What was the point of making it 15% then? Not questioning you just a general confusion. lol
 
20% seems to be the worst kept secret; all teh *tax holidays* end on Dec 31st then the pain starts people, real recession starts once the government (I mean tax payers really) have to start paying back the loans which have kept us afloat so far. Unfortunately bumper bank profits wont be paying for this either

So whatever is here by Dec 31st is getting my money
 
Have to say it has to be NV all the way so good on them (like many folk on here it seems and I am glad of the company!) .... I've felt like this ever since the 16MB TNT got my Quake frames right where I wanted em .. along with half life (no more software mode, yippee!). Well, err, sorry, maybe not - I just remembered the X1900XT I bought for £300, but the monthly updates thereafter made me feel valued ..... it woked OK on Crysis so can't knock em too much!

Still, I'll be looking for a new card just before Christmas (my current one will go to a relation at a discount!) ... I may well look at a 5990x2 if NV don't do it for me by that time ....
 
What was the point of making it 15% then? Not questioning you just a general confusion. lol

Cause we were in a crysis and really it was to keep companies afloat and not drop prices to the public. Many companies kept the 2.5% to themselves.

But look at the borrowing the government has had to to. It's either 20% VAT or a few percent on income tax....take your pick.
 
The average gamer doesnt even know what CUDA is (i dont even care), i just want to load up tf2/ gta iv and play at a high res/ with high settings at a decent framerate.

Im no ati/ nvidia fanboy and ill buy what is the best bang for buck at the time, i dont see the point in paying more than 20% more for a product if it doesnt deliver 20% more performance..

At the end of the day, competition between the companies is good for the end consumer :D

(Awaits gt3xx release to decide on what dx11 card to get and rig overhaul)

And there's nothing at all wrong with that, and your right. However that doesn't change the fact that CUDA is awesome and easily worth (IMO) the extra the cards cost.

It's not really that people don't understand CUDA that bothers me, it's more that people don't understand GPUs. They just want them to play games (fair enough) but on average they haven't got the foggiest that unlike the past, nowadays the GPU is often by far more powerful than the CPU itself.

The neat thing about CUDA is how simple it is to massively accelerate standard programming tasks, it's just that at the moment they're mainly used to address graphics tasks.

The difference is when you buy a graphics card you care about it making Crysis run nice and smoothly, when I buy a graphics card I'm buying it to massively increase the speed of a lower level operation.

Now you might think "Yeah but why do I care about programming and all that lark" - well the answer is that when some bloke writes a CUDA program to accelerate something you DO use (compression, audio transcoding, image processing etc) you WILL care about CUDA and more generally about GPU processing, as those little benchmarks you all run will suddenly get faster, A LOT faster.

The only way in the past to get performance anywhere *near* a CUDA capable card was to have racks upon racks of hardware.

Quite simply GPU computing, whether it be openCL or CUDA is massively important, and whilst it might only be affecting your games right now, it's only a matter of time before it's affecting photoshop etc..........

So to give it a real world spin. Say a CUDA card is an extra £50, but with it you know you can write a program that'll transcode a video from one format to another in 1 tenth of the time it does normally - that £50 starts looking a lot more attractive, then what about if you can decrease the time it takes to compress and uncompress data by a 90%, looking even better value now?

This is the realisation of major academic institutions - they get it, they get CUDA and openCL. Basically (as Nvidia are now saying) with a couple of CUDA cards in a box you essentially get your own personal super computer - now that is impressive - if you don't get that, then frankly I give up!
 
And there's nothing at all wrong with that, and your right. However that doesn't change the fact that CUDA is awesome and easily worth (IMO) the extra the cards cost.

It's not really that people don't understand CUDA that bothers me, it's more that people don't understand GPUs. They just want them to play games (fair enough) but on average they haven't got the foggiest that unlike the past, nowadays the GPU is often by far more powerful than the CPU itself.

The neat thing about CUDA is how simple it is to massively accelerate standard programming tasks, it's just that at the moment they're mainly used to address graphics tasks.

The difference is when you buy a graphics card you care about it making Crysis run nice and smoothly, when I buy a graphics card I'm buying it to massively increase the speed of a lower level operation.

Now you might think "Yeah but why do I care about programming and all that lark" - well the answer is that when some bloke writes a CUDA program to accelerate something you DO use (compression, audio transcoding, image processing etc) you WILL care about CUDA and more generally about GPU processing, as those little benchmarks you all run will suddenly get faster, A LOT faster.

The only way in the past to get performance anywhere *near* a CUDA capable card was to have racks upon racks of hardware.

Quite simply GPU computing, whether it be openCL or CUDA is massively important, and whilst it might only be affecting your games right now, it's only a matter of time before it's affecting photoshop etc..........

So to give it a real world spin. Say a CUDA card is an extra £50, but with it you know you can write a program that'll transcode a video from one format to another in 1 tenth of the time it does normally - that £50 starts looking a lot more attractive, then what about if you can decrease the time it takes to compress and uncompress data by a 90%, looking even better value now?

This is the realisation of major academic institutions - they get it, they get CUDA and openCL. Basically (as Nvidia are now saying) with a couple of CUDA cards in a box you essentially get your own personal super computer - now that is impressive - if you don't get that, then frankly I give up!

Understanding & caring are 2 different things because on this forum more people spend time playing games then doing productivity work.

Your looking at it from your own perspective & uses that others may not share.

Give the average user here access to the worlds fastest super computer & the first thing they will do is install Crysis.

More people will care when it has uses for what they like to do on a daily bases & not in rare cases.
 
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