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'Wes said:
Exactly, it's also the case they're the first to release a new generation of gpu's before Nvidia.
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Exactly, im all for them doing it, its good enough for Nvidia.

Look at when their 8800's were launched, BFG OC's were £535, and they stayed high priced for months and months, so you can't fault ATi for doing the same, unless your one of these people where its only allowed for Nvidia. :)
 
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Rroff said:
I'm prolly the nearest thing your gonna get to an expert around here :S
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You're in the same boat as us man. :p

We should infiltrate AMD's bank and check their transactions! I demand proooof!:p

Edit - unless you work for AMD's financial board... >_>
 
Orangey said:
I'd like an expert's opinion on this tbh, people have been saying AMD are "on the brink" for years now, much like the press liked to refer to Apple as "embattled" until the ipod really hit it big.

People hear something once and repeat it forever, whether it's true or not.
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Type "AMD market tracking" into google and you'll find a number of expert views on the matter... the crux being that without these aquisitions like ATI, AMD would have been very unlikely to survive the last 12 months and that they are still very fragile, woudln't take much of a knock to derail them - but things look decidedly more positive for the future.

EDIT: Or try "amd financial results" - you can see they are operating at a massive loss and took a colossal hit at the end of last year but are steadily returning to form but still not strong.
 
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Rroff said:
I see your still sore over the 5800 "predictions"... funny how someone with nothing to prove what they are saying can be consistantly correct - bet thats really eating at you.
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What predictions? i did not make any predictions about the 5800s & what has that got to do with you appointing your self AMD financial expert.

Your EGO is just as big as NV.
 
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I made a number of comments on the specification, performance and launch price of the 5800 series... all of which attracted some pretty obnoxious posts... and everything I said has been proved correct... I can link you to the post where you call my reputation up on it if you like...

I'm not presenting myself as an AMD financial expert - anyone with a little intelligence can find out most of what I've said for themselves in google - tho you may need a little business experience to work it all out.

Its todo with you pulling out the stops to try and ridicule (yes I spelt it correctly this time kyle) me...
 
Rroff said:
I made a number of comments on the specification, performance and launch price of the 5800 series... all of which attracted some pretty obnoxious posts... and everything I said has been proved correct... I can link you to the post where you call my reputation up on it if you like...

I'm not presenting myself as an AMD financial expert - anyone with a little intelligence can find out most of what I've said for themselves in google - tho you may need a little business experience to work it all out.

Its todo with you pulling out the stops to try and ridicule (yes I spelt it correctly this time kyle) me...
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I did not read your comments on the specification, performance and launch price of the 5800 series so how could that be eating at me.

And regardless everyone at one time or another gets things right about something, that does not make them an know it all & i would regard even Charlie Demerjian a more reliable source when it comes to predictions.
 
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Final8y said:
And regardless everyone at one time or another gets things right about something, that does not make them an know it all & i would regard even Charlie Demerjian a more reliable source when it comes to predictions.
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Yeah but how many times have I been wrong? making 100s of predictions and getting a few right is one thing... 9 times out of 10 the things I've said have been correct. I don't make a habit of making claims that will be shown as incorrect at a later date...
 
Rroff said:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14788062&postcount=29

You also commented many times on what I said about the 5800 series performance and price... so you must have read them... tho to be fair I'm confusing some of your posts with kylew you both are very similiar...
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Look through that thread & see exactly what i commented on.

I posted only twice & none of them in reply to your predilections that i did not even read in that thread, the only things from you i read in that thread are the ones i replied to containing the quotes.
So don't put words into my mouth.
 
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Incidentally, as someone who has been following the AMD financial saga for a while [although not in enough detail or with enough financial knowledge to proclaim any kind of expertise ;)] what has really impressed me is that AMD has managed to use some very clever accounting to keep going while things like this were happening:
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/09/21/intel_eu_fine_evidence/

There are more links to more shaky goings on at the bottom of that page. Here's a snippet:
Jon Oates of TheRegister.co.uk said:
The Commission quoted emails from Dell executives which made clear that its rebates from Intel were conditional on it not selling any AMD-based machines. One email said if Dell "joined the AMD exodus" it would see its rebate cut to zero while Intel investigated and then: "We'll also have to bite and scratch to even hold 50%, including a commitment to NOT ship in Corporate. If we go in Opti [Dell product series for corporate customers] , they cut it to <20% and use the added MCP to compete against us. ".

Rebates to HP in the period November 2002 to May 2005 were dependent on HP buying not less than 95 per cent of its chips from Intel. The company also faced restrictions on how it sold those few AMD chips it could buy.

HP could only sell AMD-based machines directly to small and medium businesses - they could not go to distributors or resellers.

A mail from HP, dated September 2004, said: "You can NOT use the commercial AMD line in the channel in any country, it must be done direct. If you do and we get caught (and we will) the Intel moneys (each month) is gone (they would terminate the deal). The risk is too high."
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There's a reasonable argument to be made that had the market been free, then GPU prices from ATI could be lower due to the fact that parent company AMD could have sold more CPU and chipset hardware to the OEMs, made more profit and capital, and invested more heavily in ATIs R+D or allowed then to sell ATI hardware at a slight loss to take the fight to nVidia in a more focuessed manner than they have [IE 5870 could have been sold for less, making it a more tempting product], forcing nVidia to work more efficiently, etc through the normal routes of competition, making it better for all of us - although as with all 'what if's' you can never really be sure.

So for AMD to still be going along after all this is pretty good showing if you ask me...

...and nVidia are like a bunch of choirboys compared to Intel.
 
Rroff said:
Yeah but how many times have I been wrong? making 100s of predictions and getting a few right is one thing... 9 times out of 10 the things I've said have been correct. I don't make a habit of making claims that will be shown as incorrect at a later date...
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Rroff i have not read any of your predictions besides Phyxs & im still waiting.
 
StevenRaith said:
So for AMD to still be going along after all this is pretty good showing if you ask me...

...and nVidia are like a bunch of choirboys compared to Intel.
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Love the last line :D

I agree for AMD to still be going shows at some level theres some pretty dedicated and clever people working hard... as I said earlier behind the ATI marketing of the 5870 is some very very good business acumen, unfortunatly my understanding isn't good enough to explain just how good but I know it when I see it.
 
Intel have been gaming the market since the days of the Cyrix according to rumour, back when the Pentium-alternatives were, clock for clock, quicker and cheaper than Intels x86 implementation.

No surprise that with the amount of clout they have, they would try to screw over anyone who got in their way.

Anyway, digression over, you two can go back to your handbags ;)
 
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Intel have been gaming the market since the days of the Cyrix according to rumour, back when the Pentium-alternatives were, clock for clock, quicker and cheaper than Intels x86 implementation.
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Not if you used anything that needed floating point. The Pentium crushed the Cyrix/AMD FP unit back then.

I remember playing Virtua Fighter on a friends Cyrix-166 and thinking how slow and jerky it was compared to my Pentium-166.
 
I dont see the nvidia cards being THAT much quicker than the ATI ones but they certainly will be quite a bit more expensive.

I still dont understand what the need is of a 512 bus with gddr5, seems like just another excuse to charge more for the card than its actuly worth
 
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