LianLi software or BIOS?

[Zeebedy]

Hey,

Just fired up WarDogs there after a fresh install, during the loading and whatnot the CPU temps went a bit mental, around mid high 80's under max load.

I have the LianLi HyrdoShift 360mm AIO.. now do I use the LianLi software to adjust the fan pump profile or should it be configured in the BIOS?



Thanks.

 

[Gray2233]

Was this during shader comp?

Your CPU hitting the 80's with all cores running at 100% for a few minutes in that scenario isn't something I'd be concerned about.

 

[Steampunk]

Hey,

Just fired up WarDogs there after a fresh install, during the loading and whatnot the CPU temps went a bit mental, around mid high 80's under max load.

I have the LianLi HyrdoShift 360mm AIO.. now do I use the LianLi software to adjust the fan pump profile or should it be configured in the BIOS?



Thanks.

FanControl. The answer is always FanControl.

 

[tamzzy]

Personally, bios for me. Never a fan (haha pun) of random software taking up CPU cycles...

 

[Zeebedy]

Was this during shader comp?

Your CPU hitting the 80's with all cores running at 100% for a few minutes in that scenario isn't something I'd be concerned about.

Yes it was during this.

FanControl. The answer is always FanControl.

Might have a look at this.

Personally, bios for me. Never a fan (haha pun) of random software taking up CPU cycles...

Yeah, not 100% sure how I feel about software..

 

[mattyfez]

Personally, bios for me. Never a fan (haha pun) of random software taking up CPU cycles...

Fan control is really light weight and really powerful..

 

[tamzzy]

Yeah, not 100% sure how I feel about software..

if you're tinkering away, it may be more convenient to use software to find the best temp/fan rpm curve, then lock those numbers into bios once you're happy and then delete the prog

Fan control is really light weight and really powerful..

may well be the case, but once the temp/rpm curve is locked in, there's not really any need to tinker/load up "yet" another program when everything can be set in bios.
i know it sounds like i'm moving the goalposts here, but i can't see what an additional program can improve on what i can already do in bios

 

[Gray2233]

i know it sounds like i'm moving the goalposts here, but i can't see what an additional program can improve on what i can already do in bios

If it's possible via the bios it's better to do it via bios, at least with adjustable ones such as on your motherboard -- don't run out and start flashing your GPU's left and right.

Getting a good curve for fans, overclocking etc, all are technically doable via software in your o/s but you get a better and cleaner result with the bios.

No harm in finding the best settings with software as mentioned and then transferring over.

The only thing I run full time in terms of fan control/undervolting/oc'ing etc is MSI Afterburner/rivatuner for the GPU.

 

[Steampunk]

if you're tinkering away, it may be more convenient to use software to find the best temp/fan rpm curve, then lock those numbers into bios once you're happy and then delete the prog


may well be the case, but once the temp/rpm curve is locked in, there's not really any need to tinker/load up "yet" another program when everything can be set in bios.
i know it sounds like i'm moving the goalposts here, but i can't see what an additional program can improve on what i can already do in bios

You can make all sorts of different curves, based on different things ie triggers, time averages, linear, flat, etc. Your BIOS can't see your graphics card or drive temps, where FanControl can do things like adjust your curves based on whichever component is the hottest at that time, and you can easily adjust them while your system is running until you get what you want, and have things like different hysteresis on the way up and down, different/same curves for different fans, etc. You can even have it run as a service in the background just like the software from the motherboard manufacturer does.

It does everything the BIOS fan control does, and a lot more, and it does it all better.

 

[Zeebedy]

You can make all sorts of different curves, based on different things ie triggers, time averages, linear, flat, etc. Your BIOS can't see your graphics card or drive temps, where FanControl can do things like adjust your curves based on whichever component is the hottest at that time, and you can easily adjust them while your system is running until you get what you want, and have things like different hysteresis on the way up and down, different/same curves for different fans, etc. You can even have it run as a service in the background just like the software from the motherboard manufacturer does.

It does everything the BIOS fan control does, and a lot more, and it does it all better.

gonna give this a go i think..

 

[Gray2233]

You can make all sorts of different curves, based on different things ie triggers, time averages, linear, flat, etc. Your BIOS can't see your graphics card or drive temps, where FanControl can do things like adjust your curves based on whichever component is the hottest at that time, and you can easily adjust them while your system is running until you get what you want, and have things like different hysteresis on the way up and down, different/same curves for different fans, etc. You can even have it run as a service in the background just like the software from the motherboard manufacturer does.

It does everything the BIOS fan control does, and a lot more, and it does it all better.

Why does it need to see your GPU or drive temps? You're running a home PC not a nuclear reactor, if everything else is sufficiently cooled your drives will be fine.

Can it undervolt your GPU? If not you'll still need either a competent vendor suit (lol) or to use a third party application such as Afterburner. What happens if you have some sort of software conflict or error? They're far more common than anything bios related for obvious reasons.

Having a ton of options is great if they're necessary, but personally speaking as long as my temps are under control and I'm happy with how much noise everything makes I do not care. There's such a thing as overcomplicating a problem, and when it comes to PC consumer cooling it's usually one that barely exists to begin with.

If you enjoy fiddling around that's grand, it isn't for me personally.

I certainly wouldn't faff about because my CPU and cooling went a bit nuts during a 2-5 minute shader comp situation in a game if that was my main usage, it's a lot of pointless time spent. You'll only run shader comp to that extent at first launch or with any sort of updates on your end, and if a game is doing it frequently you're better off not playing it.

 

[Steampunk]

Why does it need to see your GPU or drive temps? You're running a home PC not a nuclear reactor, if everything else is sufficiently cooled your drives will be fine.

Because if my drives or GPU are working hard and the CPU isn't, the case fans spin up based on those items being hotter, and the can keep them both better cooled passively so the GPU fans don't need to spin up for longer. The heat spilled into the case from those items gets expelled before the case (and other components) heat up unnecessarily. I have a sound deadend case, so getting hot air out is important.

Can it undervolt your GPU? If not you'll still need either a competent vendor suit (lol) or to use a third party application such as Afterburner. What happens if you have some sort of software conflict or error? They're far more common than anything bios related for obvious reasons.

I don't need a third party app to undervolt my GPU. It's build into the AMD software. Ironic that you don't like third party software when it's FanControl, but it's fine when it's Afterburner which historically has caused loads of problems over the years.

Having a ton of options is great if they're necessary, but personally speaking as long as my temps are under control and I'm happy with how much noise everything makes I do not care. There's such a thing as overcomplicating a problem, and when it comes to PC consumer cooling it's usually one that barely exists to begin with.

If you enjoy fiddling around that's grand, it isn't for me personally.

I certainly wouldn't faff about because my CPU and cooling went a bit nuts during a 2-5 minute shader comp situation in a game if that was my main usage, it's a lot of pointless time spent. You'll only run shader comp to that extent at first launch or with any sort of updates on your end, and if a game is doing it frequently you're better off not playing it.

It's actually far easier to set up Fancontrol, get it where you want it (without rebooting into the BIOS each time you want to make a change) and then forget about it. You get more options with better results. Fancontrol lets me run the fans quieter when it's cool, and faster when it's hot just based on being able to cool the things that need cooling, not just what the BIOS can see.

You don't have to use it, but it is a really useful bit of software that works well. I don't really understand why you're hating on it when it seems you've never even tried it. I just answered the question the OP asked instead of telling him to forget about what he wanted to do.

 

[mattyfez]

I just run it on start so once it's set up you don't need to open the app or anything.

It really helped me as my case fans were resonating with the case at specific rpms, so I was able to precisely tune that out, and some more tweaking generally.

 

[Gray2233]

Because if my drives or GPU are working hard and the CPU isn't, the case fans spin up based on those items being hotter, and the can keep them both better cooled passively so the GPU fans don't need to spin up for longer. The heat spilled into the case from those items gets expelled before the case (and other components) heat up unnecessarily. I have a sound deadend case, so getting hot air out is important.

You're over complicating the issue because you like to fart about.

I don't need a third party app to undervolt my GPU. It's build into the AMD software. Ironic that you don't like third party software when it's FanControl, but it's fine when it's Afterburner which historically has caused loads of problems over the years.

That's not going to work well with Nvidia, which is the vast majority of GPU users currently (although not deserved). I never stated I don't like third party applications, I stated that I prefer to limit how much software I have running.

It's actually far easier to set up Fancontrol, get it where you want it (without rebooting into the BIOS each time you want to make a change) and then forget about it. You get more options with better results. Fancontrol lets me run the fans quieter when it's cool, and faster when it's hot just based on being able to cool the things that need cooling, not just what the BIOS can see.

You don't have to use it, but it is a really useful bit of software that works well. I don't really understand why you're hating on it when it seems you've never even tried it. I just answered the question the OP asked instead of telling him to forget about what he wanted to do.

I'm sure it is easy to set it, but in the OP's specific scenario it's not necessary and never was. He was concerned because of a very limited period of extreme use that had his hardware acting normally, the same is going to happen every time he plays a game that requires shader comp for a few mins. Go make a cup of tea, pick your nose, forget about it -- everything else was running just fine otherwise unless I'm missing something?

You do you with fancontrol, it's a nice bit of software but as mentioned entirely unnecessary. A lot of users like to needlessly faff and think they're doing the best for their hardware/systems and that's fine, it's part of the hobby even if it's largely obsolete.

 

[Steampunk]

You're over complicating the issue because you like to fart about.

No, I use it because it's better than using the BIOS or the software that the motherboard manufacturer supplies.

That's not going to work well with Nvidia, which is the vast majority of GPU users currently (although not deserved). I never stated I don't like third party applications, I stated that I prefer to limit how much software I have running.

You do you then. It's not your fault if Nvidia don't supply that basic functionality and you're forced to use third party software. I still don't understand why you begrudge other people doing the same.

I'm sure it is easy to set it, but in the OP's specific scenario it's not necessary and never was. He was concerned because of a very limited period of extreme use that had his hardware acting normally, the same is going to happen every time he plays a game that requires shader comp for a few mins.

Yeah, why should anyone care about using the fans when software heats up the hardware, because I guess you don't? I could say the same thing about your undervolting. You just like farting around with Afterburner and overcomplicating things.

You do you with fancontrol, it's a nice bit of software but as mentioned entirely unnecessary. A lot of users like to needlessly faff and think they're doing the best for their hardware/systems and that's fine, it's part of the hobby even if it's largely obsolete.

It's not a faff, it's a better replacement for what you'd already be using to run your fans.

 

[Gray2233]

Yeah, why should anyone care about using the fans when software heats up the hardware, because I guess you don't? I could say the same thing about your undervolting. You just like farting around with Afterburner and overcomplicating things.

I'm going to ignore the rest because it's entirely you arguing personal perference, which is fine.

Your hardware can easily be kept within intended temperatures and noise levels without the extremes you've suggested, modern hardware not only has very high operating thresholds but will adapt based upon them.

If you want to look at the extreme shifts in every components temps that's fine, I don't care. I care about overall performance, I've built over 7 machines in the past 2 years and shifted several more into new cases. I like to keep things as simple as possible, which is a one and done unless there's some sort of major change to the system -- bios allows for that with fan profiles and CPU voltage settings, among other things.

I don't make use of MSI Afterburner because I want to use it, I use it because there's no real alternative for GPU's. I agree that AMD is miles ahead when it comes to settings vs Nvidia, if Nvidia had a comparable software suite I'd use that instead of Afterburner -- but even then if you want to monitor and obtain the best results you'll probably run Afterburner due to the Rivatuner/OSD sheets anyway even if temporarily.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying there's a lot of over the top farting about when already happy, to quote:

I'm sure it is easy to set it, but in the OP's specific scenario it's not necessary and never was. He was concerned because of a very limited period of extreme use that had his hardware acting normally, the same is going to happen every time he plays a game that requires shader comp for a few mins. Go make a cup of tea, pick your nose, forget about it -- everything else was running just fine otherwise unless I'm missing something?

It's not worth worrying about if he was fine outside of that one scenario.

 

[Steampunk]

I'm going to ignore the rest because it's entirely you arguing personal perference, which is fine.

Your hardware can easily be kept within intended temperatures and noise levels without the extremes you've suggested, modern hardware not only has very high operating thresholds but will adapt based upon them.

If you want to look at the extreme shifts in every components temps that's fine, I don't care. I care about overall performance, I've built over 7 machines in the past 2 years and shifted several more into new cases. I like to keep things as simple as possible, which is a one and done unless there's some sort of major change to the system -- bios allows for that with fan profiles and CPU voltage settings, among other things.

I don't make use of MSI Afterburner because I want to use it, I use it because there's no real alternative for GPU's. I agree that AMD is miles ahead when it comes to settings vs Nvidia, if Nvidia had a comparable software suite I'd use that instead of Afterburner -- but even then if you want to monitor and obtain the best results you'll probably run Afterburner due to the Rivatuner/OSD sheets anyway even if temporarily.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying there's a lot of over the top farting about when already happy, to quote:



It's not worth worrying about if he was fine outside of that one scenario.

I really don't know why you're getting so hung up on this. OP asks how to control his fans, I suggest a neat little bit of utility software that lots of people use and is generally considered to be very good. Sure, you can argue that you don't need it, but you don't need lots of things, it's doesn't mean they are not useful and easier to have.

You don't need to undervolt, so you don't need Afterburner, but you use it because it does what you want in a way that is better than hardware mods or modded vBIOS. It's really no different.

I'll bow out now because we're just going in circles.