Libya

[Zethor]

This is going round in circles... If you can't understand that a deliberately broad resolution authorising all means necessary can be used to cover a wide variety of actions or that the humanitarian crisis at the time when a dictator was actively massacring large numbers of people isn't very compatible to the fighting today then there really isn't much point in me carrying on posting in this thread.

The oddest thing about the crazy "The West are evil and always do bad things" idea some people have, is that they manage to find critical flaws in most of the Western geopolitical decisions, even when they are completely opposite.

Act to help the rebels in Lybia = bad decision, West, people are now dying!
Do nothing in Syria = very bad decision, West, more people are now dying!

If history has taught the Western democracies a lesson, it is that one of the most dangerous stance is to cover their eyes and and ears and pretend that their peaceful part of the World can't ever be affected by other violent parts of the world.

 

[Judgeneo]

The oddest thing about the crazy "The West are evil and always do bad things" idea some people have, is that they manage to find critical flaws in most of the Western geopolitical decisions, even when they are completely opposite.

Act to help the rebels in Lybia = bad decision, West, people are now dying!
Do nothing in Syria = very bad decision, West, more people are now dying!

If history has taught the Western democracies a lesson, it is that one of the most dangerous stances is to cover their eyes and and ears and pretend that their peaceful part of the World can't ever be affected by other violent parts of the world.

Syria kicked off before libya, and was known to be worse, but the west couldn't get the political approval with arab nations for intervention. IRC the Arab league gave approval for Libya intervention on the proviso that Syria will be left alone.

In any case, I think we should have left both alone, and just acted to chauffeur away the innocents.
There are too many powers a play to be able to make a "right" decision.

 

[scorza]

Syria kicked off before libya, and was known to be worse, but the west couldn't get the political approval with arab nations for intervention. IRC the Arab league gave approval for Libya intervention on the proviso that Syria will be left alone.

In any case, I think we should have left both alone, and just acted to chauffeur away the innocents.
There are too many powers a play to be able to make a "right" decision.

Qatar and Saudi Arabia both wanted intervention in Syria. The main stumbling block for Syria was Russia, who didn't want to lose their naval base at Tartus.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

I think the old arm both sides, wait until they wipe each other out and then invade tactic is worth a go.

 

[Craterloads]

This is going round in circles... If you can't understand that a deliberately broad resolution authorising all means necessary can be used to cover a wide variety of actions or that the humanitarian crisis at the time when a dictator was actively massacring large numbers of people isn't very compatible to the fighting today then there really isn't much point in me carrying on posting in this thread.

Indeed it is and if you cant understand that we overstepped the mandate, twisted and manipulated it to achieve the sole goal of regime change then why bother. Leading to problems that potentially could be far greater than existed before, certainly if our goal wasn't simply regime change anyway.

Seems everywhere we go and **** kicks off, you back away dust yourself off and declare "nothing to do with us chief we gave you freedom"