More dangerous than wet manhole covers?
Littering while driving = Points
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More dangerous than wet manhole covers?
I'll bet cats eyes/drain covers have had way more bikers off than crisp packets...
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That's like why ban guns when people die naturally all the time - does it matter what way they die - i.e. shooting or of natural causes?
Besides, your example is a bad one as manhole covers are now being inlaid with grippy tarmac to ease this problem - why shouldn't we try to do something about the disgusting littering habit as well?
If there is a practical solution (i.e. penalising people for littering) then I'm all for it. This proposal, except the "driver responsible" bit sounds like a good solution.
is it ok to throw apple cores and banana skins ? (and coconuts?)
The problem with throwing degradable food onto the road is that it attracts animals.
Of course nobody likes running over a cute bunny, but you should run it over rather than swerving. However, a lot of people will still swerve and end up in an accident.
I approve.
Stop the dirty scruffs from messing up our environment with rubbish. There has been a littering fine in place for many years and it's been un-successful, so hopefully this will clamp down on some of it.
Only problem is that it's the owner, not culprit.
Stop the dirty scruffs from messing up our environment with rubbish. There has been a littering fine in place for many years and it's been un-successful, so hopefully this will clamp down on some of it.
Only problem is that it's the owner, not culprit.
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Your attitude seems to be that it's alright to chuck stuff out of your car including lit cigarettes, and if we dirty bikers don't like it we should just STFU and get a car... Am I right?
So you don't actually approve, as this is exactly what this campaign is about. Laws already exist to deal with littering, these mentalists simply want to give penalty points to the car owner (do they really mean R.K.?) rather than the person littering.
I think we should start a Drivers Against NIMBYs campaign. The next bunch of loons to utter the word "ban", "fine" or "penalty" in conjunction with cars should be tied to the front of a BTCC car in the next round.
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Not really
Pretty non negotiable if you aks me!
Littering is a disgusting habit, and doing so when in a vehicle should be a finable offence. I wouldn't be against points either, if the driver can be identified.
Merlin doesn't seem to understand there are other road users (other than car drivers) that are affected to a greater degree by foreign objects on the road.
Merlin doesn't seem to understand there are other road users (other than car drivers) that are affected to a greater degree by foreign objects on the road.
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I agree with this. Littering is one of my worst pet hates. There's simply no need for it, especially if you're in a car.
I personally don't litter either from the car or out in the street and find it annyoing that others do so.
The worst example that comes to mind recently was whilst sitting waiting for some fast food to be brought to our car I looked over and saw a late-teen girl in a car full of late-teen girls throw a large bag of macdonalds out of the window and on to the floor. That in itself was bad enough, but the fact that there was a bin within 4 feet of the car made my blood boil! Thingis, what do you saw to them? they won't listen, and if anything will be rude.
The worst example that comes to mind recently was whilst sitting waiting for some fast food to be brought to our car I looked over and saw a late-teen girl in a car full of late-teen girls throw a large bag of macdonalds out of the window and on to the floor. That in itself was bad enough, but the fact that there was a bin within 4 feet of the car made my blood boil! Thingis, what do you saw to them? they won't listen, and if anything will be rude.
Do you want to argue that point?
How many times have you swerved to miss a crisp packet?
Never, to miss an empty packet of Monster Munch or similar, but many times to avoid, drinks cans, water bottles on the motor way and other random crap.
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Guy threw his breakfast out on the floor beside me while we were waiting to get on a roundabout. Made my blood boil so I got out of the car, picked it up and threw it back through his window just as he drove off. He got a half eaten bacon sandwich smack between the eyes.
Obviously I jumped back in my car, locked the doors and made off sharpish! Probably not the best thing to do with all the nutters around but it did make me feel better
I was still laughing by the time I got to work.
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That's exactly what I was getting at
So explain how putting points on the licence of a car owner (who quite conceivably may not even have a licence) will prevent littering by any other person that happens to be in (or driving) that car?
If someone gets caught for drink-driving, should it be the car owner that gets a large fine and a ban, or the driver? If you kill a person with someone elses gun, should the gun owner carry the murder rap?
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I don't recall saying anything of the sort. I don't think the owner should get points, the perpetrator should (if they have a license, if they don't then a fine), but that's not the issue here. What I think about that is irrelevant, I didn't even say what I thought of it.
The issue is that Merlin doesn't seem to understand that putting crap all over the roads could kill someone on a bike, and having lit cigarettes flicked out of windows and hitting you in the partly open visor could have you off as well.
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That's what the thread was about...
Fag ends are a danger for bikers without a doubt, and I guess if you are well cranked over when you hit the remains of someones fish 'n' chips it could get pretty messy. However, I think the point Merlin is making is there are numerous other hazards that are far more dangerous than the odd bit of litter. e.g. how many bikers have come a cropper due to diesel, mud/slurry, wildflife, potholes etc compared to litter. Completely eliminating litter would not significantly improve the safety of roads for bikers.