Soldato
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the game is on sale in Kuwait now and not the fixed edition, a muslim country - blooming typical
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i see your point, but i would not go as far as saying any type of entertainment. i should not listen to music, its just another drug that controls the emotions. when i used to put initial d(street racing anime) music on when driving complete with sound effects i used to speed up, when i used to watch movies and see a sad seen i used to feel sad, however when seeing the same scene with no music its a complete diff experience hardly sad at all. music makes ppl do/think things they would not if they never heard the music. this is one of the reasons islam forbids it.
im trying to stop i don't listen to it in the car anymore, ive deleted my 6gb worth of music from my pc. the only time i listen to it is in games, tho with gt5p and burnout Ive muted the music. call me a hypocrite call me weak thats fine, I'm not perfect I'm trying to stop. i give thanks to Allah for getting me this far.
why should it matter, again it comes down to how much love you have for your faith. my faith says don't listen to music, right so im not complaining about music in the game, but when somebody starts to put my faith in with music, im not bothered if im never going to hear it, its like im not supposed to look at women, but now some company is advertising with a billboard of a half naked-woman with a Quran god forbid in the background, im sorry but this is unacceptable in my eyes. lets say you arnt allowed to look at billboards, you had a 5 year old daughter and she was put on a billboard in a negative way, i don't know what that could be, something bad happening in the background or something.. they never asked for your permission it just happened you knew nothing about it. then hear about it from your friend who knows your daughter but does not follow your not allowed to look at billboards thing, are you not going to complain? and even if you did look at billboards and saw it yourself are you not going to complain? of course you are. well this is how it is with us, we are supposed to love our faith more than anything else in the world, i love it enough to complain about this music thing.
very sorry OC mods for going off original subject
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I very much doubt Sony would have done such a publicity stunt that forces them to spend millions on a recall - completely understand if it had gone gold and then it was found out before distribuition/duplication...
At the end of the day I can forsee them just missing it - I very much doubt MM/Sony would have gone through the foreign lyrics of a song with a fine toothcomb when they were under the assumption it was ok since nothing had been raised about it in the 7 years its been published for...
It just boils down to an honest 'mistake'...
ps3ud0
i think it was a stunt, as if the quality control people didnt pick up on this. i bet the songs get listen to before allowed on the game, and from what i heard the Quranic versus are clearly spoken, the quality control people must be looking out for words said in other languages that offend aswell.
about the millions spen on recall, they also spend millions and millions on advertising, this type of advertising is priceless. you get on the tv news radio newspapers the whole works, and what a great subject to pick....Islam something that all over the news anyway, maximum advertising conditions.
i dont know much about money and how much sony have but im guessing millions to them is like ten pounds to us normal folk, or do you think thats a exageration?
i bet you loads of ps3 owners who didnt know about lbp(and i bet theres loads) a lot of them now know about lbp.
so im a extremist right? quick go tell Mi5 theres a extremist on overclockers.co.uk
Sarcasm doesn't convey well through text. I don't think that everyone who finds this song in LBP offensive are suicide bombers or anything.... I just think they are over sensitive babies. Muslim or not, I just get irked at people that whinge over the smallest of things.
Ok, you don't like the fact that your holy text is used in a song.... then don't listen to it or play games that use it?
No offence, but the majority of people cant understand Arabic, or understand the Muslim connotations of that phrase. I very much doubt the select group of people who QAed the music selection (lets be honest its not going to more than a couple of people) might actually not be Muslim and therefore not pick up the issue...
It maybe plain in the face to you, but its not to a non-Muslim...
Im sorry but thats a very poor analogy, since something pictorial traverses the language and potentially the cultural barrier.
As I said above unless I understood Arabic and the Koran well a non-Muslim is very unlikely to pick up the issue and a Muslim shouldnt be even listening to it in the first place - therefore the potential issue is minute/inconsequential...
I dont mean to be rude and I appreciate the audience with you, but it does seem double standards in favour of Muslims...
ps3ud0
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No offence, but the majority of people cant understand Arabic, or understand the Muslim connotations of that phrase. I very much doubt the select group of people who QAed the music selection (lets be honest its not going to more than a couple of people) might actually not be Muslim and therefore not pick up the issue...
It maybe plain in the face to you, but its not to a non-Muslim...
ps3ud0
Very true, Media Molecule is a tiny developer based in Britain, i doubt they have many Arabic speaking people in their staff at all, let alone one dedicated to quality checking the music.
Also a track that has been out years, i guess they didnt really think they needed to check the track as its available in shops/itunes etc. I Wonder if the song has been removed from those places? Or is it just because its "a game" that people complained about it?
smallest of things to you big big thing for me. dont my feelings count?
ive already answered that
track has been out years true, i guess it was the size of lbp the world was more aware of lbp than the 2bit band, therefore had to be more responsible?
If we took everyone's feelings into consideration then we wouldn't be able to do anything. We have to cater for the majority in my opinion.
To be honest, these days double standards in favor of one group are rife, but that isn't to say either group has set this double standard. The perfect example would be a two part episode of southpark where comedy central outright refused them to have the prophet Muhammad as an incredibly minor character despite him having a much larger part in an episode a few years prior, this change in policy was due to the cartoon incident in Europe a couple of years back. To make a point the southpark creators ended the episode by having Jesus take a dump on George bush and the American flag - they were allowed to show that but not Muhammad. Now my point here isn't that they weren't allowed to show Muhammad, as i respect that choice as it may offend people, my point is that comedy central didn't allow one religious figure (Muhammad) to be shown standing there normally, holding a American football helmet but DID allow Jesus crapping on the american flag to be shown. Ridiculous double standards enforced by people completely uninvolved in the issue, not by those who might actually be offended.
nah thats not a nice way of looking at it, so who is the majority? cater for the majority even if they are wrong? you just dont realise how offending it is, if you did then maybe you would change your mind.
Unfortunately this is where morals/ethics and religion proceed as tangents. Its easy for someone to appreciate anothers moral standing, since its usually based on similar circumstances/experiences or a concious decision that can be deduced and understood. Whereas religion employs faith which to the majority of us (even dedicated religious people) is a very difficult concept to accept.
When it comes to religion theres usually never a right or wrong and it depends on which side of the fence you are. Its just a good excuse to practise xenophobia most of the time...
My opinion is that religion never should have existed as nothing wholly good ever comes out of it, theres always some penance. No doubt Ill get a reply, pitying me and apologising on my behalf to some higher entity...
Im going to stop replying as Im completely taking this thread off-track and Im not being paid to expend my limited number of brain cells
...ps3ud0
guess i should not have said that, because neither of us know howw the quality system worked, could bbe in your favour or mine. we dont know
thats not the issue tho is it, its the fact that there is/was versus mixed in with music, does not matter who can understand it or not understand it.
i think you are not seeing how important faith is to some ppl. ok let me put it this way. if i had a daughter i would rather have her up on a billboard portrayed in the sickest filthiest manner than have Quranic versus mixed in with music in a game, do you see where im coming from now. language and cultural barrier nah, this barrier being crossed at the mo with the music and Quran is some next level barrier that a lot of ppl dont even know about.
again i dont think you realise the amount of love ppl have for their faith, the fact that its there makes it wrong period to ppl in the faith. even if every muslim did not listen to it, we would still find out about it somehow so the problem would exist still. if you just use my analogy please then maybe you will understand what a lot of ppl are feeling. its about something that is loved more than most ppl can comprehend being disrespected. its not minute.
nah mate i know you are not trying to be rude, you seem like a nice lad.
i know what you mean with double standards thing, like im not a perfect muslim so should i not take offense of these things till i am? if you just use my anology on your thoughts/question maybe you can understand.
can i add you to my playstation friends list, we can race on wipeout
Of course - might as well lose to as many people as possiblecan i add you to my playstation friends list, we can race on wipeout
ps3ud0
Much ado about nothing. Do you think we could move this to another thread? (maybe in GD). Apart from the medium (being a game) it's not really a games related topic tbh is it? It is obvious which direction the thread will head in eventually and probably get deleted 
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For the record this does not sound too terrible to me, in my University days I used to have a fellow on my course who felt similar. American converted Muslim who came to UK to study. He gave up his whole life (he was a very talented musician who already had music published by SONY worldwide. he found Islam, and he went as far as to give up his record label, smash all his instruments, CDs etc, and moved to UK to study something totally unrelated to Music.
TBH, when he explained it to me (I always thought he avoided my favourite place (the BAR!!) because of the alcohol served there, he explained even if they stopped selling alcohol he would avoid because of the music/jukebox etc.
It's certainly fair to say this is not a commonly observed rule/belief in most Muslims I know. I can only really compare it to smaller sects of Christianity, in this country, or other smaller sects of populist religions which are not necessarily mainstream interpretations/followings/beliefs.
Anyway, I am sure if there was content in there that upset Catholics etc, and people complained it would get removed/delayed in a similar way. tbh LBP is a Mario/Sonic style game. Generally non offensive and playable by ages 3 yrs and up. It isn't a 15+ FPS game like a lot of console titles that appeal to older players, so to appeal to the largest audience some allowances have to be made, I guess.
rp2000
.For the record this does not sound too terrible to me, in my University days I used to have a fellow on my course who felt similar. American converted Muslim who came to UK to study. He gave up his whole life (he was a very talented musician who already had music published by SONY worldwide. he found Islam, and he went as far as to give up his record label, smash all his instruments, CDs etc, and moved to UK to study something totally unrelated to Music.
TBH, when he explained it to me (I always thought he avoided my favourite place (the BAR!!) because of the alcohol served there, he explained even if they stopped selling alcohol he would avoid because of the music/jukebox etc.
It's certainly fair to say this is not a commonly observed rule/belief in most Muslims I know. I can only really compare it to smaller sects of Christianity, in this country, or other smaller sects of populist religions which are not necessarily mainstream interpretations/followings/beliefs.
Anyway, I am sure if there was content in there that upset Catholics etc, and people complained it would get removed/delayed in a similar way. tbh LBP is a Mario/Sonic style game. Generally non offensive and playable by ages 3 yrs and up. It isn't a 15+ FPS game like a lot of console titles that appeal to older players, so to appeal to the largest audience some allowances have to be made, I guess.
rp2000
Of course - might as well lose to as many people as possible
ps3ud0
hey i havent played it for a while, plus you seem serious with the wipeout sig.