live off £37,000-a-year benefits !

[muon]

So how does that differ from NIT, apart from not giving everyone the same level of minimum benefit?

Well you don't necessarily have the flat structure afterwards in terms of taxation. Also, don't you appreciate that the effective marginal rate of taxation is different to promote people to work. You are raising their after tax/benefit wage rate compared to the NIT scheme so that they work (in order to work) in the phase-in period.

NIT is the basic benefits reform. Before there were scenarios where you would have a 100% marginal rate of taxation.

NIT solves this but results in as little differentiating between people as possible. NIT I feel is going backwards, and a more crude form of redistribution.

EITC in the states was initially targeted at people like single mums where it was found to be very good. As it was expanded to include more and more people, whilst there were benefits, it became less and less efficient. Again, what level of efficiency is ideal?

The UK benefits system is retarded, that's one of the things that needs to be addressed.

Again its difficult to address. I don't think the, "lets just pull out of it" course of action is necessarily the best.

I've also realised the worked example is gone from the NIT wiki page, I'll see if I can dig out an alternative.

It's okay, I drew the worked example.

 

[Indy500]

It also has the laughable attribute of counting my loan as income so I can't claim any form of welfare, no matter how destitute I may become. Without the loan I couldn't fund my additional education, without that I may as well be earning **** wages\in and out of unemployment for life and never escape poverty.

 

[bigjimmyauk]

Whether they should have had 15 kids is irrelevant. The fact is they have. So what is the Mail suggesting, that the state let them stave?

Also you think they decided to have 15 kids to lead the easy life? Looking after 15 kids IS a full-time job.

I have 6 kids and thats pretty much a full time job let alone 16

 

[bigjimmyauk]

Oops! Given up looking for work because it's easier on the dole? Next time he goes to sign on for his Jobseeker's Allowance they should have a framed copy of the article to show him.

At least he's looking for a job. Have you ever been to a busy job centre you get treated like scum,looked down at by the staff, and they can force you to work for pittence

AT LEAST HE IS TRYING i'm sure that there are people on this forum who do jack all and let it all come rolling in

 

[Mucky_Pup]

At least he's looking for a job. Have you ever been to a busy job centre you get treated like scum,looked down at by the staff, and they can force you to work for pittence

AT LEAST HE IS TRYING i'm sure that there are people on this forum who do jack all and let it all come rolling in

"But he soon realised his family was better off claiming benefits than if he worked."

^^ He is scum, pure and simple, the fact that you're trying to defend him in that matter is ludicrous.

 

[Naff8000]

http://www.dailymail

I stopped reading there

 

[bloodline76]

At least he's looking for a job. Have you ever been to a busy job centre you get treated like scum,looked down at by the staff, and they can force you to work for pittence

AT LEAST HE IS TRYING i'm sure that there are people on this forum who do jack all and let it all come rolling in

I think the point is he ISNT trying to find work. He says that unless he can get a job that pays more than £700 per week then he might as well take it from those that earn it as its easiler. He should be able to afford some contraception with all that money coming in. He should not be having another child that WE have to pay for.

If everyone thought the same way as this man then our country would be other crowded and we would have to go the China route of controlled births. Out of the 15 kids he has I wonder how many go the same path? Why work kids when you can stay at home and get the government to pay for it all?

mandatory sterilisation after the 4th child is the answer

I have two kids and get no support what so ever from the government because my wife and I earn too much money. I think if you can pay your own way then you can have as many kids as you like.

The only way they can get rid of scroungers like this is to bring back food stamps and make it so that you cant use them for cigs or alcohol. This means that if they want to enjoy the extras in life they have to earn them like the rest of us.

Having 15 kids is just taking the pee. If they cant provide for them then they should not have them.

BRING BACK FOOD STAMPS!!!!!

 

[AMG]

well thats a "easy life" not having to work for your money, find it rather tastless too oh well only daily fail

 

[bigjimmyauk]

I think the point is he ISNT trying to find work. He says that unless he can get a job that pays more than £700 per week then he might as well take it from those that earn it as its easiler. He should be able to afford some contraception with all that money coming in. He should not be having another child that WE have to pay for.

If everyone thought the same way as this man then our country would be other crowded and we would have to go the China route of controlled births. Out of the 15 kids he has I wonder how many go the same path? Why work kids when you can stay at home and get the government to pay for it all?



I have two kids and get no support what so ever from the government because my wife and I earn too much money. I think if you can pay your own way then you can have as many kids as you like.

The only way they can get rid of scroungers like this is to bring back food stamps and make it so that you cant use them for cigs or alcohol. This means that if they want to enjoy the extras in life they have to earn them like the rest of us.

Having 15 kids is just taking the pee. If they cant provide for them then they should not have them.

BRING BACK FOOD STAMPS!!!!!

you get no support from the government don't you get child benefit then thats funny cause then my tax is paying for your kids child benefit money and i'm sure you've spent that on pc parts before casuse i very much doubt you soley spend it on the kids.

it works both ways ya know if it was just you working and claiming an amout of child tax credit and working tax credit you wouldn't be complaining would you.

there plenty of schemes out there to help people you just have to look into it example
servern trent do something called a watersure scheme for disabled and families with 3 or more kids so instead of paying £1200 a year water we only have to pay £360.

 

[krooton]

This country are disgraceful. Son, I am disappoint.

 

[mattheman]

Are you saying that there would be no market or social adaptation to the issues?

Are people entitled to a house?

Would the housing market stay exactly the same if housing benefit changed?

As for what level of basic income, tricky one, because it depends what you expect from people. I would suggest that £5-6k per adult is perfectly reasonable, provided it is spent properly. Sure, it won't get you a house with sky TV and all the mod cons, but you don't have an entitlement for that.




The problems you are highlighting are also present in the current system in addition to the extra ones that NIT address (such as the clear benefit trap). Are you saying NIT should be rejected because it isn't a perfect solution?

Are people entitled to a house? yes

Would the housing market stay exactly the same if housing benefit changed? it depends on the type of change.

 

[mattheman]

"But he soon realised his family was better off claiming benefits than if he worked."

^^ He is scum, pure and simple, the fact that you're trying to defend him in that matter is ludicrous.

He is not scum, he is looking at the opportunity cost, same as you would.

 

[Spie]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-year-benefits-fresh-blow-welfare-system.html

What a disgraceful this country are! It all Gordon Brown for all these tax credit are paying out too much £22,828 for these family and more baby on the way to get more benefits.

There's only one word that springs to mind. SCUM.

 

[mattheman]

There's only one word that springs to mind. SCUM.

Why is he scum, why do they always attack lower classes, this is a trade off, he cant build his home and farm his own food, so he has to be compensated for the restrictions governments impose on you the people.

 

[romperstomper]

Did you write that in another language and translate it online?

 

[Wicksta]

you get no support from the government don't you get child benefit then thats funny cause then my tax is paying for your kids child benefit money and i'm sure you've spent that on pc parts before casuse i very much doubt you soley spend it on the kids.

I bet he spends far more on his kids than his child benefit covers, don't be so silly. His tax outlay will certainly cover it many many times over, he won't need any of yours thanks.

 

[MofoKilla]

There's only one word that springs to mind. SCUM

Scum ? hardly , rapists and nonces are scum. These people are just abusing the system like other thousands of people are doing because the goverment lets them, also the main reason why there are so many foreigners in the uk.

 

[Le_Petit_Lapin]

They should really start a program in which people who dont actually contribute to the country are kicked out.