Liverpool officially announce Hodgson to take charge
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@ Baz & Pigeon - can I ask who your ideal kind of appointment was? Just wondering why you are disappointed in Roy, is all
Ideal appointment would have been Capello. That's not realistic though.
As I've said in another thread, because of the position we find ourself in, it would be all but impossible to appoint a proven 'top' manager like a Capello. Because of that we had a choice of appointing somebody like Hodgson or giving it to Dalglish for 6-12 months until the club is sold.
Until the club is sold we can't move forward and the most important thing is to try and keep the likes of Gerrard, Torres and Mascherano at the club, as if we do, we're more than good enough of making the CL next season (despite what some may say).
I personally think Dalglish would stand a better chance of persuading them to stay than Hodgson.
'Massively disappointed' is slightly ott but it's certainly not the best outcome.
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@ Baz & Pigeon - can I ask who your ideal kind of appointment was? Just wondering why you are disappointed in Roy, is all
The answer will be, whoever's most capable of spending their new found wealth after the yanks are gone and the new owners pay off the debt.
People are saying Hodgeson hasn't delt with expectations or big name players, yet he firstly has managed such players, and secondly, realistic expectations till the debt is paid down SUBSTANTIALLY, is outside shot at Euro slots.
Liverpools strongest move in the next 5-10 years is sell off Gerrard and Torres, buy in 5mil a piece replacements and aim for a Europa slot.
They paid off smeg all debt with Champs league money, though judging by their wage structure, they could well be paying lower wages to some players if they aren't in the Champions league, they might still be paying massive wages with a significant drop in income.
They need to do a Newcastle, drop wages, pay off debt, become a more managable club.
If you're making 200million a year, but paying 150mil in wages and 50 mil in interest on a 400mil debt, you aren't doing badly, but not well either. If you're making 140mil a year paying 100mil in wages and paying 10mil in interest, you're doing better. I really don't understand why Liverpool fans can't see the club needs to pay off debt sooner rather than later, to be more competitive sooner in their future rather than have their owners drop further into debt by buying big and being competitive for one season, maybe two, before they have to sell off half the club as debts become completely unmanageable.
Most people who buy clubs are businessmen, not fans with deep pockets.
Roy hodgeson, of any manager in the UK, including Fergie, Wenger, Ancelloti, etc, etc, is the man to get people like Babel playing to his full potential, and everyone else, and also find good value transfer targets. Personally I reckon he can do more with the squad than Benitez can, who was losing the squad one by one, in terms of motivation, performances and players who start hating the manager.
I also think Hodgeson can do more with transfer, existing less good players if/when Torres/Gerrard are cashed in on.
Pool fans should also realise the less debt they have the better value they represent to investors. As I said in another thread, right now a rich owner to invest say 100million in the team, would also have to spend what, 800million to get Liverpool and pay off the debt. If they had no or far less debt, it would only cost them 400-500million to reach the same point. A rich dude buying, Bolton, could invest 300million in the squad, and buy the club, and have only spent 400million.
Business wise theres a lot cheaper options of buying a team and making them highly competitive than Liverpool, infact, theres a dozen clubs better placed for that to be honest.
Liverpool with the "history" might have been a better bet, but after Chelsea, and City will obviously start doing well, your uber rich 900million spare having owners, will look at Chelsea and say, what do I care who won the title 40 years ago 18 times, I can have the same team at half the cost if I buy some other club.
This fantasy that selling the club will fix all problems is just that, fantasy.
The guys who bought City could have afforded to buy Liverpool 58 times over and not even miss the money, but they got City, because it was far far cheaper to do so, they've STILL spent FAR less than it would take to just buy and pay off the debt at Liverpool without investing in the squad at all. Liverpool are incredibly unattractive as a business right now.
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But all of that's irrelevant given the club hasn't been sold and, as you say, there is no guarantee that they will find a wealthy buyer.
There were only two realistic choices tbh, Hodgson and Dalglish.
@ Baz & Pigeon - can I ask who your ideal kind of appointment was? Just wondering why you are disappointed in Roy, is all
I'm not disappointed in Hodgson myself, its not who I would have chosen I would have preferred someone younger to be honest, someone who can build an era rather than be there for a few years and then retire.
The way I see it we have to face the fact that we are off the pace and likely to be off the pace for quite a while yet. Utd had 26 years without winning the title and I think Liverpool will actually get very close to that and possibly go beyond it. What I would like to see is a rebuilding of both manager and players, opting for slightly younger than normal and building a structure and squad which can last an era rather than a couple of years. Thats just me though and to be honest I dont think too many of my fellow fans would accept such a scheme.
I wouldnt have minded seeing Dalglish in temporary charge whilst the candidate I want was sought out.
Having said all of that, Hodgson has it now and I will back him fully.
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while im not disagreeing with you at all, just look at peter ridsdale, you'd think he would have learnt from experience but look what he did to cardiff after what he did to leeds
oh and hodgeson looks like yoda in many pictures!!
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Fickle? How many managers have we had in the last 10 years? How many managers have we had in the last 20 years? How often do you see a Liverpool supporter with a manager out banner? How often do you hear supporters calling for a managers head? Fickle? Get a clue
Dalglish. More successful, knows the club inside and out and would've been a far cheaper option@ Baz & Pigeon - can I ask who your ideal kind of appointment was? Just wondering why you are disappointed in Roy, is all
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After watching his press conference, I'm in full support of him. He's a level headed, direct and up front guy
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Personally I think it's a good appointment and I'll judge him in 12 months.
Sweeping generalisation there then.
I have been sitting on the fence a bit on this one, but now he's appointed he will get my (our) full support. Fickle supporters seem to be post instabul Sky sports/talk sport twerps that have never been to anfield in their life!
The pros are; he seems to be good with limited funds. He has been able to get teams to punch above their weight. He will be fully aware of the snakes at the top, and seems to have good business sense.
The only (potential) negatives i can see is whether Gerrard, Torres and mash see this as a positive appointment.
I would wish Gerrard all the best if he wants to move on, but hope Roy doesn't get a shock when he doesn't get the full transfer fee to re-invest.
In the current climate, a top 7 finish would do me!
Welcome Roy, and good luck!
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I think it's a fantastic decision for Liverpool.
Would rather see what he's managed to do in say 12-18 months though.
I hope by then, the players will be used to his training and methods, he's had time and a bit of money to build a better squad / team.
I think it could be a good thing for Liverpool
Would rather see what he's managed to do in say 12-18 months though.
I hope by then, the players will be used to his training and methods, he's had time and a bit of money to build a better squad / team.
I think it could be a good thing for Liverpool
To be fair while neither of those succeeded at Blackburn (and were arguably overpriced, didn't Saints get Beattie in p/x as well or something?) they've both been moderately successful/effective at other clubs.
Personally I think it's an OK appointment, if rumours are to be believed he won't have a mammoth transfer warchest and so may get a chance to bring in some bargains, the sort of players he can source with his wide contacts throughout Europe.
That said it remains to be seen how well he will cope with a big job in England again, he didn't set the world on fire at Blackburn (to be fair he had to compete with the emergence of Wenger, Newcastle, Chelsea etc as top6 rivals). I dunno, it all depends a bit on what the expectations are, Liverpool haven't won a league title in over 20 years but you still get the impression Kop fans want to be fighting at the business end of the table rather than contenting themselves with Thursday night, Channel 5. As sides like Man City, Spurs and Villa push on they may need to get realistic and accept that the days of being there or thereabouts are seriously under threat.
A goatee wouldn't suit him. I reckon he'd be more of a flowing, Jesus-beard type. Football needs more proper, bushy beards. None of this manicured rubbish.Lol @ the Coral website;
Roy Hodgson to grow a Goatee Beard in 2010/11 season - 25/1
Pretty much agree.
I'll support Roy as much as I do every Liverpool manager we get... before they start going insane that is, however that usually starts happening in the 4th/5th year.
We need someone who can instill a belief in the squad and get the most out of what we have. Inspire the big players to see that Liverpool is still the place to be. Although it would have been good to see Dalglish in the job, I can understand why it wasn't him. He's just been away from the game far too long.
Roy will, hopefully, be able to get the team spirit back. He's English and I think understands whats needed in terms of individual player motivation and management (Benitez was simply inept at this.) His appointment was always going to be a short term one. When new owners arrive they will appoint a new, long term manager.
If he manages to persuade both Gerrard and Torres to stay, he'll have already earned my respect. I think Mascherano is a lost cause however.
I wonder if he'll bring back all those coaches Benitez got rid of, you know the ones who were Liverpool through and through, were there decades and helped bring through talents like Owen, Fowler and Gerrard. And then concentrate on getting young English players through the academies instead of signing half a million young foreign players. It would be a massive step in the right direction to restoring Liverpool's identity which I feel has been lost in recent years.
Roy is a quality manager proven at a good pedigree. I don't see anyone that would want the Liverpool job who is better.
I personally wanted Capello to resign and then England steal woy but oh well
Its the the first time in AGES a top four manager(well only by name at the moment) has been English.
No wonder we are stuck with foreign national team managers when we will not dare hire an english manager at the top clubs
I personally wanted Capello to resign and then England steal woy but oh well
Its the the first time in AGES a top four manager(well only by name at the moment) has been English.
No wonder we are stuck with foreign national team managers when we will not dare hire an english manager at the top clubs
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You mean the same ones that let the standards of the youth setup nose dive and didn't bring a single half decent player through since Gerrard in 1998?
Benitez didn't have much, if any, control of the youth team setup until he signed his new contract last year. Do you know what the first thing he did when he was given control? He sacked the staff that had failed for well over a decade and brought in half of Barcelona's youth team setup and appointed Dalglish to over see them. He also pleaded with the owners to improve the training facilities and build stands so supporters could watch them develop.
We lost that when Houliier was appointed. He completely ignored the youth team and we've suffered ever since.
Quote from an article in the Mirror: 'Because of Houllier’s short-sighted ignorance, Liverpool haven’t produced a kid through their own youth system for 10 years, and something drastic was required to address that. Quite clearly, one of the avenues has to be to challenge Arsenal, United and Chelsea for the best talent, and it’s finally happened.'
Don't mean to sound offensive but I had to check who I was quoting because it's the sort of short sighted nonsense another poster usually posts about Liverpool.
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