lol tvlicensing

[vanandjuanunited]

Refusing entry childish.
As above do you let strangers into your house
Do you get harrassed by others agencies demanding payment for something you may not actually use.
I don't get harassed by dva wanting to know if I drive hgvs without a licence.
Yet I still get letters about a TV licence I neither need nor want. Despite having already told one of their salesmen I don't use their service.

 

[joeyjojo]

Refusing entry childish.
As above do you let strangers into your house
Do you get harrassed by others agencies demanding payment for something you may not actually use.
I don't get harassed by dva wanting to know if I drive hgvs without a licence.
Yet I still get letters about a TV licence I neither need nor want. Despite having already told one of their salesmen I don't use their service.

Obviously we should refuse entry to strangers, but if that stranger is an inspector from TV Licensing sent out because one has been irresponsible enough to not reply to the warnings then I've got no sympathy.

If you've told them you don't need a TV license and they're still hounding you that's a different story (and you'd be right to be annoyed).

This "stick it to the man" mentality is childish though yes.

 

[anything I don't mind]

It is not about sticking it to the man. It is about liberty, i advise you read up on what liberty is.

I don't care if they want to waste their time sending me letters and paying someone to come around and knock on my door. It makes no difference to my life. I just bin the letters, a minor annoyance at worst and i just ignore the door knocks, if i open the door ill just tell them i don't have a tv and tell them to go away. How is that childish?

I don't want anything to do with tvl or the bbc. In a legal sense giving them your name is setting up a contract with them. By not giving them your name you are not setting up a contract with them.

I don't even register to vote and i bet you think that is childish as well.

 

[joeyjojo]

It is not about sticking it to the man. It is about liberty, i advise you read up on what liberty is.

I don't even register to vote and i bet you think that is childish as well.

Liberty is the value of individuals to have agency (control over their own actions).

It's amazing you can survive in the modern world at all if you count having to respond to a letter once a year as a reduction of your agency. I'd call it either paranoia or extreme laziness.

And yes I do think you're childish for taking no interest in voting (plus you can be fined £1000 for not registering).

 

[anything I don't mind]

Yes i am a criminal for not registering to vote, this is what democracy is all about.

I have already explained about how it is not just "responding to a letter once a year" its about having your house searched and so on.

Is it that difficult to accept that some people have principles? If you don't have any principles then that is fine by me, you can hand over your liberty in the name of security or in the name of tv licensing. But i am not prepared to just hand over my liberty because some tvl goon.

That is where it starts, with tvl goon searching your house. History proves, if you give the state an inch, it will take it all and burn you in the process.

But it is the apatheticness that i have come to expect from the british people, calling having princples childish is a part of this. If you don't comply with the state then you are childish. I bet the nazi said the same thing to the defectors, "if you don't join the party, you are just being childish. "

 

[manic111]

This is all very messed up in my opinion, this is why common law should be acted on instead of policies (statutes / acts). This would make people act more responsible if the punishment were more severe. But how would the country generate revenue if it weren't for all these statutes ?

To me if you break a law under common law then you deserve to have your collar felt, all these statutes are just silly, far too complex and money spinners rolled all into one but that's how its been designed which I find very clever.

You do realise that most statute is grounded in common law? At least if you're talking about common law from a legal perspective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common...utory_law_and_administrative.2Fregulatory_law

An awful lot of statute codifies or consolidates the common law into something which is more clear than trawling through reams of case law. Your ramblings aren't doing much but displaying a lack of basic legal understanding.

What would happen if, say, the law on murder which is currently derived from case law, was consolidated into a statute? Assault, fraud, sexual assault, theft, etc, are already written into statutes, and all of the law around them is based on these statutes. Does that make this law less important and valid than that in case law?

 

[Haggisman]

interestingly enough - I've just cancelled my DD for my licence, since I object on principle to having to pay 6 months in advance (I'm paid up till the end of Nov. so I'll make another 2 month payment then.) I wonder how long it will take them to start sending me harassing letters...

3 days before I get a phone call saying they need to set the DD back up today.

Was an interesting phone call.

Apparently they wont "allow" me to continue making a 2 month payment then cancelling the DD, then setting up another one after 2 months. They didn't know how to respond when questioned as to exactly how they would not "allow" me to do it

 

[semi-pro waster]

Apparently they wont "allow" me to continue making a 2 month payment then cancelling the DD, then setting up another one after 2 months. They didn't know how to respond when questioned as to exactly how they would not "allow" me to do it

They'll stop broadcasting to your house, that'll show you...

I'd have thought the only thing they could do was to put a note on your account but since it's not like most sales of service where they can decline your custom and you no longer receive the service that would seem a touch counter-productive if they were to refuse you the right to pay in a way you wanted provided it was an otherwise accepted method of payment. I suppose they could demand that you pay the whole license fee in one payment because if you don't have a valid license and continue to receive (and watch) broadcasts you would be breaking the law.